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[edit] Halo's firing range

We don't know the firing range for all of the Halo's. 343 GS only confirmed 25,000 lightyears for Instalation 04, the one from the first game. Someone should add that it.

Why is installation 04 called "Alpha Halo" if installation 05 is "Delta Halo"? That makes no sense. Also, isn't it a little unwise to extrapolate a whole naming convention from one or two examples? It seems unlikely that the monitor of installation 06 would be 16807, it would be too cumbersome to pronounce in the cinematics ;) Sippan 08:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Ummm.. I don't care if it makes sense, but it is officially Alpha Halo and Delta Halo. Unfortunately, I don't remember where exactly it is stated, but I think it is probably in one of the books. I wish I had a more concrete basis for this, but I promise that it is true. Is there anyone who can back this up for me? --Masterzora 09:08, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Found enough official evidence: http://halosm.bungie.org/story/halo2_level_transcripts/lv01_heretic.html Masterzora 19:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

But it's not official, halo.bungie.org is a fansite unaffiliated with Bungie Studios, and although that page is a transcript of the game, all mentions of Alpha Halo seem to be written by someone outside of Bungie. Sippan 20:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

More official than the next best, which was more or less a guess. Besides, I'm positive that I've seen it called Alpha Halo somewhere more official than a random website, but I can't remember where. Might have been the books or something... but nothing I can produce right now. -- Masterzora 07:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

This article says both that the radius and diameter of the halos are 10,000 km, which is obviously not possible, as the radius is half of the diameter. Could someone clarify which of these it is? 71.209.204.139 02:32, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

According to http://halosm.bungie.org/story/halo.html it's the diameter. I trust this as an official enough source and will make the necessary edit. Masterzora 05:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I was just reading over the entry and I noticed in the names table something interesting: HALO "0" = 70 = 1 (01 Shamful Anomaly Installation 01, The Ark) Now, a quick Google search returned no reliable results. Anyone else got anything official on that name before I fix it? Masterzora 05:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Shameful Anomaly is not cannon as far as I know. I do not think that installation 01 is the ark either. On the hologram at the end of Halo 2 seven rings are visible. The ark is something different, rather than an actual halo installation. --195.93.21.34 13:56, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

The name Shameful Anomaly appears to have come from here. This 'script' is almost definately a fake and shouldn't be regarded as cannon. --195.93.21.34 14:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I found. I believed it to be equally unreliable. I'm fixing it now -- Masterzora 20:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

This has gone off topic. But someone should, using the 25,000 Lightyears, figure out where the halos have to be if that is there range. We should assume that they all have the same range. It wouldn't have to be perfect.

Taking the blast radii as exactly 25,000 light years for each ring and the Milky Way diameter as exactly 100,000 light years, I found that the range seven rings perfectly covers the galaxy. One ring in the centre and six evenly spaced out 43,301 light years from the centre and the two neighbouring rings (like the vertices of a hexagon hexagon), ie 6,699 light years from the edge of the galaxy. This is the only arrangement with complete coverage, however, if the blast radii are slight less than 25,000 or the Milky Way's diameter is slighlty more that 100,000, both of which are approximations, it's possible for there to be small safe spots at the vertex intersections of the blast radii so as a personal note it could be a design flaw to have only seven rings, eight would have been safer. On some further calculations the blast radii extend UP TO 18,301 light years from the edge of the galaxy.

I'd draw a diagram but I'm too lazy. -Cheers,58.175.85.16 (talk) 04:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Monitor Table

Is the table of UNSC designations, Installation numbers, and Monitor designations necessary, or at least even worth keeping? At this point, the UNSC designations are now purely speculative, except for Alpha and Delta Halo and we can't even accurately speculate which installations they belong to. The installation numbers are obviously 01-07 given that we know there are seven, two of which are number 04 and 05, and the fact that the Monitor numbers we know of are 7 to the (installation number - 1)th power can be explained without a misleading table. Move to remove. -- Masterzora 23:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wildlife

i believe something is missing in the wildlife section: in the level of halo where you first encounter the flood, there are small glowing bugs flying through the jungle/forest/whatever it may be...

[edit] New Edits

Okay, a few of the new edits disturb me, but I want to discuss it rather than turn it into an edit war.

The statement that there are 5 Halos left. -- As far as anybody knows, there are currently six Halos intact. There is only certainty that one is left (Installation 05), though it can be fairly assumed that there are six (all but 04). Even if 05 is deactivated, it is still intact and therefore counts.
Unnecessary and/or unencyclopedic information and comments: ("probably not as it only destroys sentient life", "The fate of Delta Halo is not unknown it is merely deactivated perminantly (watch this sequince at the end of the game to see halo almost fire(it use's a plasma burst)", etc.). -- the "probably not" comment is unencyclopedic (being an editor's comment). The "fate" coment is, as far as I can tell, unproven. I might be forgetting something (it's been a while), but I don't remember it being permanently deactivated.
The removal of useful information (age of the rings, possibilities about why humans are needed to be Reclaimers) -- Why?
The rampant spelling errors (which I plan to fix when I get a chance if somebody else doesn't first).

If nobody responds to this to discuss or explain within a couple weeks, I'm just going to revert. -- Masterzora 23:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Went through and corrected some of the probems. Unfortunately, the Halo articles are all rife with fanon, assumptions, unnecessary commentary, and stuff that just plain wasn't true. Its a nightmare slogging through this mess. Had to delete entire paragraphs in some articles.....Anyway, I'm doing what I can. - Peptuck

Hey, thanks. I was just about to go through and fix stuff but you had that taken care of. I'm glad, as this is one of my favorite articles and I hate people adding in their own theories and crap to it. Thank you. -- Masterzora 04:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I saw all the difficulties, and I mobilized the fact freaks over at Halo.bungie.org. We'll get this whole thing set back up proper-like in no time! -- Peptuck

Someone should add the fact that the Forerunners also referred to the Halos as "Fortress Worlds," according to Cortana in Halo 1 when she first interfaces with the Halo computer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.101.250.250 (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, the pacing of certain parts of this article needs to be worked on. For example, the Heretics and the celestial bodies around Halo 04 are mentioned several times before they are formally introduced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.101.250.250 (talk) 01:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Desctruction?

The page mentions that 04 was destroyed, but never says how... As someone unfamiliar with the Halo series, I think it we be a good idea to either add this information, or remove all mention of destruction. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 20:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I regret to say that I'm somewhat unfamiliar so I can't add those details, but I am familiar enough to know that the details exist, so removal would be a bad route. -- Masterzora 05:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Taken care of. Peptuck 01:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genetic storage/Sentinel production

Where is it stated that the Libraries contain genetic information? As it stands, this is all speculation, and there's also no indication the Library has facilities for Sentinel production. That's what the Sentinel Factories and Sentinel Wall are for. Peptuck 01:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Purpose of the Superweapon

Is it ever explained why the designers want to stop the spread of the Flood by wiping out all life in the galaxy? Clearly it isn't to protect people from the Flood, since those same people are being wiped out by the weapon...

Unless the idea is that current civilisations must be sacrificed, but future ones will still evolve again, which they otherwise would not, the Flood strangling everything...? Evercat 22:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Its evident that the Flood rely on other races for it to reproduce, and as fodder. When the halos are fired, they litterly cut the Flood of their supply of food, causing them to starve and die out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.98.183.180 (talk) 03:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

They got two of every kind of species they could find (hense why Bungie called it Ark) and put them on the ark which was outside the Halos. They fired the rings and then they returned the races to where they had been previously. Presumably all the Forerunners died though.

No evidence that they only gathered two of every species, and according to Didact's own messages, he survived Halo's activation. Peptuck (talk) 01:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler

The first line, Halo is a weapon of mass destruction is a spoiler. Takes away the shock from the game when you Holy fuck, this halo is a weapon. Meh, but I played the game before reading the page so it's not ruined for me JayKeaton 06:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2 covenant cruisers...

The entire game of Halo: Combat Evolved is played on the ringworld, with the exception of the first level, which takes place on a UNSC cruiser (Halcyon-class) called the Pillar of Autumn, and two levels set aboard the Covenant cruiser Truth and Reconciliation and another Covenant cruiser(unknow name)

Was not the Keyes level on the same Truth and Reconciliation cruiser? The cruise was huge, so it may have covered a part of land that was not accessable during the T&R level... Correct me if I'm wrong... --Sidewinded 17:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it was. It looks damaged and it appears to have moved, but Halo: The Flood confirms that its on the same ship. Peptuck 03:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Awesome, I wasnt completely sure, but Cortana mentioned she disabled "a covenant cruiser" but didn't mention an others; this also is supported by the fact that there werent many cruisers (2-3 max i think) to beguin with. anyway, thanks for fixing :) --Sidewinded 16:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Cortana disabled the Truth and Reconciliation. That's why it's in the canyon lands and not looking for the cursed library. As you approach the T+R, that is when she mentions she disabled it, although I have to admit she never names it. 9:53, December 8, 2006

[edit] Unsourced statements

Where do all these numbers for planet sizes come from? And the positioning of Alpha Halo at L1? It's been a while since I've read the books, and I don't remember seeing anything about that in the videogames... Roffler 22:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Edited the first paragraph, hoping thats less "in universe". Roffler 00:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The unsourced planet sizes are still there, and plus a contradiction occurs later on when discussing the lagrangian points in the Astronomy section stating that "In the game, the apparent sizes of Basis and Threshold are not depicted correctly, nor are they accessible in the game."

Bits and pieces, bits and pieces... Gettin there, as I find time. Roffler 23:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

/Wipes brow.

Some stuff still unsourced, but makin progress. Roffler 22:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

At HBO, Stephen Loftus calculated the planet sizes from in-game models. His findings can be found here: [1]. This is where the planet size numbers came from. Peptuck 17:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Centrifugal/centripetal?

There's been a lot of edits changing around whether the ring produces centrifugal or centripetal force. Can someone provide a source? The only reports I could find was pseudo-science debates on Halo forums. bibliomaniac 1 5 01:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Acctually this kind of gravity generating has been proposed and used for quite some time. its basic If you have ever been to a fair they usally have a UFO shaped attraction called the Gravitron. what this ride does is it spins rapidly while the rider is reclined on a vertical plain. as the ride spins faster and faster the rider begins to feel a gravitaional force upon their bodies which force them on to the plane they were reclined on; thus, enabling the rider to acctually move up on the plane and have their feet off the ground. if the rider attempts to "lift their heads" they will feel a massive gravitaional force being placed upon them limiting their abilitys to do so. it a very neat device if your ever intrested in checking out for yourself how centripetal force works then head out to the local fair =)

Maverick423 16:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I have just finished playing Halo 3 and it is obvious from that game that gravity on the halos is not simulated by spinning the rings. I think that this section needs to be changed.

87.80.236.98 12:42, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Math Error?

I believe that the last sentence of the following quote contains a math error: "Installation 04's "maximum effective" range, according to the Monitor, is a radius of 25,000 light years. The activation of one ring's superweapon causes the other six Halo installations to activate and fire as well, extending the range to the entire Milky Way galaxy, or more precisely, 3 galactic radii."

According to wiki, the radius of the Milky Way is about 50k LY. That means the total area is about 8*10^9 LY. If the range of each Halo is 25k LY then the area of effect is 2*10^9 LY. If all seven Halos were arranged so that their effective areas only just touched (which isn't possible with 7 circles, and anyway they are orbiting the galaxy and changing positions, thus this figure is a very generous over estimate) the total area would be 14*10^9 LY. This is only slightly more than twice the total area of the galaxy, and remember, there would have to be overlap, so the actual area is much smaller. Nonetheless, this hypothetical area subtends a circle of only about 66k LY. 66k LY is only slightly larger than the radius of the Milky Way. It is certainly not three times the radius as stated in the article.

More likely, seven Halos with effective ranges of 25k LY just barely covers the entire galaxy. There is a lot of overlap and under certain circumstances (caused by the installations' orbits) there would be areas of the galaxy with no coverage at all.

Christopher.secord 20:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no error. What is quoted in the article is taken directly from what 343 Guilty Spark says at the end of Halo 2: "They and all additional life in three radii of the galactic center died, as planned." Additionally, Spark states in halo that "Once the other installations follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood."

More likely than not, Spark is saying that the Halos amplify each others' power when they fire in conjunction. One ring has 25k radius effect, but the entire network, when firing together, extends out to a much greater range. Peptuck 20:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

"There is no error." Oh, there’s an error alright. The math doesn’t lie. You just made up an explanation to stitch together two cut scenes. What you just did is exactly like Star Wars fans making stuff up to try and explain away George Lucas’ error in thinking that a parsec was a measure of time. Please don’t do that. If there is an inconsistency in a game, that’s fine. Just let it go. You don’t have to make up explanations to cover their backs.

First of all, if your quote is accurate, the monitor did not say what the article currently says. The monitor did not say all life within three galactic radii. So, since the Monitor did not say it, and since the math does not support it, why does the wiki article say it?

Why does the article add the word “precisely” as if seven 25k LY circles are “more precisely” 3 galactic radii? That simply isn’t true. Therefore, it cannot stay in the article.

Maybe the best solution is something like, “In Halo CE, the monitor gives the effective range of the station’s weapon as 25k LY. In Halo 2, the monitor states that all of the stations firing simultaneously have a kill radius of 3 radii”

But you can’t have the word “galactic” because a: the Monitor didn’t say that. And b: the math clearly does not support that. And you can’t have the word “precisely” because these two statements by the Monitor do not match, 25k LY is not precisely (or even close to) 3 galactic radii. If Halo 3 comes out and Bungie used an explanation similar to the one you just made up, then that will be different. Christopher.secord 03:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Meh, either way. I do think we should include the exact specifications of what Spark has said. Installation 04 has a maximum effective radius of 25,000 light years, whole the entire network kills all sentient life "in three radii of the galactic center." After all, even with the math you have accurately provided, it works on the base assumption that all Halos have the same maximum effective radius or that they do not have some alternate effect when fired at the same time. Since we know so very little, and only have reliable data on one ring and the entire network as a whole, there's insufficient data to really call this an error. It could be an error, but like what Bungie is often wont to do, it is more likely to be accurate, and the entire nature of the Halo system has not yet been fully explained. Peptuck 06:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with including the exact quote from the game. Christopher.secord 11:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I realize I'm chiming in extremely late, but I'd like to state that I can't see the error here. He didn't say that the blasts cover the entire galaxy by any means. That would only be necessary if the entire galaxy contained life. So long as there are systems that don't, it is perfectly reasonable that all life within 3 radii was exterminated using 25k radius blasts. -- Masterzora (talk) 21:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Although the dialogue is worded badly, it doesn't mean the blast extends three galactic radii outside the galaxy. After some careful calculation I've found that the diameter of the blast is up to 2.73 galactic radii. Close enough to three? Although, having said that, the average diameter of the blast I would estimate to be something like 2.4-2.5 galactic radii. Check my post under the "Halo's firing range" section of this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.175.85.16 (talk) 04:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Marine Struggle on Installation 04

Hey all! I notice the article on Halo, my favourite piece of science fiction and gaming delicacy, doesn't contain any details of the exploits of the other UNSC personnel on the ringworld during Halo: CE. I have the knowledge from the books (notably "The Flood" and the beginning of "First Strike" as it explains how Johnson got off the ring) but it's hazy, as i haven't gone over them in a while.

I thought it useful to add that the covenant cruiser "The Truth and Reconcilliation" was destroyed, ultimately, by Marines on Halo trying to take off in it, because the marines did not want to take back flood specimens to Earth for a buffet. The name of the Marine eludes me...and the name of the Commander does too... please fill in these gaps, as a proud Halo Munchie i would love to be able to see the UNSC displayed and represented in all it's hardcore green glory.

As Sergeant Johnson once said (Halo 1 - The Pillar of Autumn - Legendary Mode Intro whilst addressing marines in Hangar bay Seven) "I don't care if it's a big son-of-a-bitch machine, or a giant hula hoop!" --Fortune117 02:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Everything above is from the Halo Book Series.

[edit] Confusion about Halo's purpouse

The way I interpreted it, Halos were to use the Flood as weapons. If they use radiologicals to wipe out anything big enough to sustain it, why not just obliderate the Flood? Can anyone tell me where it states any of this? 72.205.243.188 05:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The Flood are immune to Halo. Either the Flood adapted to Halo's weapons or the Forerunner chose to deliberately allow them to survive, for unknown reasons. Irregardless, Halo's weapon is the only known way to contain the Flood,a s 343 Guilty Spark says at the end of Halo 2 that the Forerunner exhausted every other strategic option to contain the Flood.

In Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, Cortana, who has analyzed Halo's structure and knows how it operates, sends out a distress beacon that is tagged with radiological and biological warning codes; the biological code is for the Flood, and the radiological one is for Halo's own weaponry. Therefore, we know Halo's weapon is radiological in design. Peptuck 06:20, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gravemind's Location

As far as I know, it's never been confirmed that Gravemind lived on Delta Halo. Although it is logical, it's possible that he hijacked the teleportation system and threw them onto some planet somewhere. It doesn't make much sense that the Forerunners could capture something as powerful as Gravemind and put it on the ring. Quadrius 16:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

"That creature underneath the Library, that Gravemind, used us." Cortana says, outright, that the Gravemind is underneath Delta Halo's Library in the first couple of minutes of High Charity. Unless we find actual evidence that says he was anywhere else, beyond speculation, that's where he is. Peptuck 05:30, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move?

I think moving this to Halo (Halo Series) would be a less in-universe title--71.123.191.125 04:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How were the Flood made?

I just dont get it the flood is sentinent but how could the forerunners have created it??? I think i dont have one 20:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)--I think i dont have one 20:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, according to the Beastiarum (the book/DVD that came with Limited&Legendary editions), the Forerunners noted that the Flood is propably of extragalaxial (is that even a real word?) origin. So, they didn't create it. They found it. --Petrim 09:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Delta halo flood

I am a huge fan of the series, but I am still confused as to what happened to the flood on delta halo. After most of the flood were destroyed on the ark, couldnt there still be a threat of infestation present from the other halos? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.9.81.118 (talk) 21:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Halo's rotational axis and inclination

I took out the following:

"The rotational axis of Halo is perpendicular to the line between Threshold and Basis, placing the two at opposite ends relative to Installation 04, and both are about 90 degrees left or right of the ring of Halo."

The statement appears to contradict itself (I think it meant that the rotational axis of Halo is equal to the line between Threshold and Basis). In any case, unless it says anything about this in the books, it is not clear that both are (about) 90 degrees left or right of the ring from the viewer standpoint, considering that it does not appear that way in the game (both in cutscenes, and during gameplay).

By the way, if Halo is inclined, I don't know how it copes with tidal forces. Oh well. FractalFusion (talk) 22:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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