Talk:Gustav Schwarzenegger

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This article was nominated for deletion in the past. The result of the discussion was keep.

decendant of Thomas Jefferson - WHAT? RickK 07:44, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I find the assertion that Gustav Schwarzenegger (and thus Arnold) was a descendant of Thomas Jefferson... surprising. Not because it is improbable, but because it would have received a bit of publicity lately, and it hasn't. Jefferson is a descendant of King Edward III of England, and I rather think a royal descent for Arnold might have been mentioned amid all the "immigrant made good" noise of the California governor's election. Can you give the line of descent here? -- Someone else 07:46, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)~

Gustav Schwarzenegger is mentioned in Thomas Jefferson's Family Tree (www.ishipress.com/pafg188.htm), and I think that's where this statement comes from. However, it looks like he's in there because of Arnold, whose wife Maria Shriver is presumably the Jefferson descendent. The Schwarzenegger line does not go further backward than Karl, father of Gustav. Eugene van der Pijll 09:07, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Ah, it's probably why the claim was made (glad you removed it), but I'm not sure why he's in there: it should be for some reason other than Maria Shriver, who ALSO doesn't seem to have a Jefferson descent. But all is well here now! -- Someone else 01:05, 26 Oct 2003 (UTC)

To reiterate a comment I made on the AFD page, if Gustav attained the rank of master sergeant, he was in the 2nd or 3rd highest enlisted rank in the Wehrmacht. A US MSG is a NATO OR-8, which is a Stabsfeldwebel or Hauptfeldwebel in the Germany Bundeswehr. (I do not find a source saying which his rank was in German.) In fact, enlisted is wrong -- he was a non-commissioned officer, probably in command of a platoon. --Dhartung | Talk 17:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You need to brush up on your military know how. NCOs ARE enlisted soldiers. They all started out as privates. Any german/austrian who had been in the Wehrmacht for a few years would have probably advanced to become one. user:Pzg Ratzinger

[edit] Notoriety

"He was also the father of Hollywood star and Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger."

I would assume that the only reason he is know, and has an article on Wikipedia, is because he is Arnold Schwarzenegger's father. Being an active Nazi makes him more notbale than the parents of other celebrities, and thus perhaps deserving of his own page (as opposed to simply a brief mention of Arnold's page), but being a Nazi in and of itself is not what makes him notable, certainly no more notable, or deserving of a Wikipedia article, than numerous others who were members of the SA. The article needs to make this clear from the start, yet the first few paragraphs seem to imply otherwise - that he has this page because he was a Nazi. - Matthew238 05:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

SUGGEST DELETION OF THIS ARTICLE

I would do it myself, but I couldn't figure out the rather lengthy WIKI essay on page deletion. Reason for deletion--this guy is of no interest at all, other than as the relative of a celebrity. The argument that he is of interest because he was a Nazi doesn't hold water. He clearly joined the NSDAP only opportunistically after Austria was absorbed by Germany. He reached the equivalent rank of sergeant, big deal. He had no achievements or notoriety relating to his Party status, or indeed anything other than his famous son. As far as I can determine, this page was made only so that Arnold could then be listed in the "Descendants of Nazi Officials" page. Political enmity at work? This is the kind of thing that hurts Wikipedia. Delete now. 122.52.34.41 16:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)