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Contents 1 More sources? 2 Rockets on Kabul 3 Hekmatyar A Friend Of Pakistan 4 Dostum to Hizb-e Wahdat Connection 5 Prime Minister boxout 6 Hizb-i Islami 7 Soviet "Resistance" 8 CIA Support 9 {{cn}} see talk 10 Edits today 11 New developments, May 31, 2008

[edit] More sources?

What gets qualified and what doesn't in this article doesn't make any sense to me. For example, it unflincingly said that Hekmatyar received $b's of anti-Soviet US military assistance, but shied away from saying that he was aided by the ISI, which was the conduit through which the US funded the anti-Soviet resistance dollars. I've tried to strike a reasonable balance, but better, we need some more sources... DanKeshet

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You need to read the book "Bear Trip: Afghanistan's untold story" by Brig. Youssif to know about these complicated issues. The comments about his ISI/CIA links are quite accurate as mentioned here. I think he mentions that over 20% of all the CIA money supplied for anti-Russian resistance were given to his party through ISI.

[edit] Rockets on Kabul

I think the article should also mention the many reports, that Hekmatyar more and more attacked other Mujaheddin groups instead of the Soviet invaders. During the siege of Kabul it was him who kept firing hundreds of rockets a day indiscriminately into the city killing lots of civilians. This is widely known and published, I have also heard this by talking to witnesses who were in Kabul during that time (among them my own mother).PS: There is also this accusation, that he used to throw acid into the faces of women who weren't dressed according to (in his eyes) 'Muslim laws'...following Messhermits comment in the Massoud and Fahim biographies, that one should basically keep unproven rumours until they re proven to be wrong, I guess it should be added here, too!? haroon 18:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Since you are new in Wiki, I will not pay attention to that kind of attitude against my person. If you don't have anything important that can contribute to create a better article, pls restrain from editing. Messhermit 20:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I won't say anything about your person, anyone who wants can see it from the articles, comments and edits you have made. I had posted this comment to point out the double standard about rumours and facts. Since those instances have been corrected, completing this article with more information about Hekmatyars crimes is not that high-priority. haroon 21:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

What is unqualified is baffling too: ISI's patronage of Hekmatyar in particular is said to be "certainly" based on his military record. This is unsupported PoV. Alternatives (ideological and political motivattions) are not presented to qualify this assertion. And the reference for non-involvement of the CIA in favouring Hekmatyar is not sufficient; even if it were accepted, the CIA clearly was involved in it.

[edit] Hekmatyar A Friend Of Pakistan

I wonder why someone put up tese comments saying Pakistanis calll him power hungry and this and that.I have done ost research on Hekmatyar and met several journalists who know him...especially people from Karachi's Takbeermagazine....Hekmatyar has always been a Pro Pakistani and thats why he never wagd war against Pakistani backed Taliban despite losing power.....so need need to say he is power hungry..--Yahoo 13:12, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dostum to Hizb-e Wahdat Connection

The article makes reference to "Dostum's Hizb-e Wahdat". However, Dostum was Uzbek and therefore not the leader of Wahdat, which is primarily ethnic Hazara. However, in 1992, as Najibullah's government fell, Dostum defected and formed a coalition with Wahdat and Jamiat.

[edit] Prime Minister boxout

He's in twice as being Primer Minister of Afghanistan. Both occasions have the same dates of his tenure, but have different successors/predecessors. I've added a contradiction message Murphykieran 18:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hizb-i Islami

According to the CIA World Fact Book there are several groups who's titles begin with Hizb-i-Islami. None of them mention Hekmatyar. Which one is he affilitated with?

Check this out: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/indict/2002/02cr892.pdf Hekmatyar and bin Ladin go back a long way. LDH 17:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Soviet "Resistance"

The article (especially in the "Early Life" section) still lionizes Hekmatyar's supposed resistance against the Soviet occupation, but in their books Peter Bergen and Steven Coll both accuse Hekmatyar of doing most of his fighting against other Mujahideen (especially Massoud) and generally avoiding battle with the communists. Nomenclaturist 21:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CIA Support

"It is important to note that the CIA had no official active involvement in allocating funds to individual resistance commanders; the ISI exclusively decided who to provide funds and arms to"

What if this sentence was written this way: "It is important to note that Al Qaeda had no official active involvement in allocating funds to individual resistance commanders; the ISI (Islamic State of Iraq) exclusively decided who to provide funds and arms to"

Basically that line sounds like apologist bs to me. Richard Cane 04:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{cn}} see talk

The article currently states:

1. B.Eng. 1968
2. "However, he started his political life against the Soviet influence and opposed Daud Khan's government and escaped to Pakistan"
3. Founded Hezbi Islami in 1975.

But, Mohammad Daoud Khan's government wasn't overthrown by a Soviet-back communist coup until 1978 -- so what Soviet influence was he against?

Also, the article states he founded schools for both girls and boys. If he supports education for women then how could he be allied to OBL and the Taliban?

Cheers! Geo Swan 13:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

1. ?
2. Daoud was allied with the Parcham faction of the PDPA, and the Soviet Union donated large quantities of military equipment. This was the Soviet influence that was opposed by Hekmatyar and the other islamists.
3. Correct, though the exact circumstances are a bit hazy.

As for founding schools: it sounds very unlikely, and without a reference, should be deleted. --Raoulduke47 11:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits today

"Gulbuddin Hekmatyar is a popular figure as an Afghan Mujahideen or rebel commanders"...

Popular figure? Anyone else thinking this is not very good? Greswik 14:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New developments, May 31, 2008

The Jamestown Foundation: Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s Return to the Afghan Insurgency