Talk:Groschen

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Contents 1 A Band called Grosh 2 References 3 Merges and moves 4 Groschen , Grosch Name ?

[edit] A Band called Grosh

I would like to point out that Grosh is also a Dutch band. I someone could eventually add an entry or something... Much appreciated. -- romunov —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.152.7 (talk • contribs)

It has been added. --Rolfz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rolfz (talk • contribs)

.. and removed again, band of the Grosheide bros. totally unrelated to the coin, lacks notability WP:N, link normally to be avoided, no Grosh in Dutch Wikipedia either. -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       01:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

The article lacks sources, the dates given e.g. stem from the original 2004 edit [1] which in turn was likely taken from the Polish Wiki which is unsourced since 2002 also [2]. -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       01:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merges and moves

See Talk:Grosh and Talk:Prague grosh for the discussions about proper names that was basis for moves and mergers. -- Matthead ^discuß!     O       12:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I have moved the article from German 'groschen' to English 'grosch'. A simple Google search of English language pages gives:

grosh - 225k

grosch - 450k

groschen - 85k (and this is not German wiki, but English one)

-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  15:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Groschen , Grosch Name ?

What is is nonsence? Why don't you guys read the google results you post here?

Piotrus posted google results grosch, groschen

grosch - 450k

groschen - 85K

• The Grosch results deal with people named Grosch
• The Groschen results deal with the coins named Groschen

Labbas 8 January 2007

All right, so what's wrong with grosh?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

lol Take a look at the first 100 results of that search for grosh: 2 for Wikipedia (self-reference), 1 from eBay, and 97 for people, guitars & studios called Grosh - and Mount Grosh, Nevada :-) Best regards, Evv 01:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Well... compare this to that. Now what do you think? :) -- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  05:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice :-) I enlarged the search a little using the plural "coins" also, and got:

• groschen : 628 (almost all coins).
• grosz : 798 (but still including a lot of people named Grosz, a fairly common name; and used only for Polish coins).

However I have the idea that, on coins, grosz is used specifically to Poland and Poland-related areas (i.e. Lithuania, etc.). Groschen, on the other hand, because of Germany's (and the HRE's) importace and more intense relations with the English-speaking world, is used both for specific German-speaking areas AND as a default term for the "generic" coin. It is only too normal that the English language would sooner take words from a related Germanic language than from a more distant Slavic one.

Of course, that's just my personal feeling about it: my English is not good enough, and I'm too influenced by German to be certain of this specific usage. - Best regards, Evv 07:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Although I am still suprised that grosh is not an accepted English word, evidence seem to indicate groschen is indeed the term we should be using for most variants of this coin.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  21:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm surprised at the very existance of the word grosh (497, including a lot of people called Grosh), which I had never seen before finding this talk page :-) Evv 22:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Google Print test: Counting coins only.

• Searching for groschen coin OR coins : ca. 412 books in English.
• Searching for grosch coin OR coins : ca. 21 books in English.
• Searching for grosh coin OR coins : ca. 44 books in English.
• Searching for grosz coin OR coins : ca. 41 books in English.

Best regards, Evv 23:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)