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Contents 1 Geo. Marselis, Pot , innagurates the forum 2 nuclear power phase-out 3 Names of the Greeks feature article candidate 4 Deletion list 5 Happy with this page? 6 Ano Dorio (about War of Independence) is in Greek on English wikipedia. Needs translation to prevent AfD. 7 How to edit the project page 8 Record sales of Vicky Leandros 9 Loukas Daralas may be deleted 10 Κωνσταντίνος Μαυρομιχάλης 11 new article 12 New article 13 Black Star / Mavro Asteri 14 Gerasimos Kalogerakis 15 Spyridon Stais and Valerios Stais 16 Cyme and related articles 17 Improved locator maps for Greece 18 Paliouria 19 Standard naming scheme 20 Help with translations 21 WikiProject Greek law 22 Wikipedia:Greek/Turkish naming conventions 23 Hrisi Avgi 24 New template/category for Greek-related articles missing Greek script 25 WikiProject History of Greece 26 DYK 27 Need an expert's help for the Corfu incident 28 Idisis 29 Re paidia! 30 Anarchism in Greece 31 Translation Help 32 List of Greek place names 33 Greeks in Bulgaria 34 To vandalise and add Greek POV 35 Merge into WP:GREECE? 36 Samuil of Bulgaria 37 Greek-American organized crime 38 Deletion 39 "Oedipus the King" article: stub? 40 Indo-Greek Kingdom 41 Albanian anti-Greek vandalism 42 Meetup in Athens 43 An Invitation from the Philippine Wikipedia Community

[edit] Geo. Marselis, Pot , innagurates the forum

έλα, ΜΠΑΝΑΝΙΑ ΟΛΕ! ΦΙΡΣΤ ΠΟΣΤ! Project2501a 7 July 2005 09:21 (UTC)

[edit] nuclear power phase-out

I would appreciate some help in extending the part about Greece in the new article on the nuclear power phase-out. I have the politics of several other countries covered, but Greece is still missing. Anybody interested? BTW, I also need reviews. Please post here. --Ben ^T/_{C 09:43, August 14, 2005 (UTC)}

[edit] Names of the Greeks feature article candidate

Έγραψα μία σύντομη ιστορία των εθνικών μας ονομάτων, απ' την αρχαιότητα ως την σημερινή εποχή, και προσπαθώ να το προωθήσω για WP:FA, με απώτερο σκοπό την εμφάνισή του στην Κυρίως Σελίδα. Ελάτε να προωθήσετε το άρθρο στο Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, μέ ή χωρίς τυχόν ενστάσεις. Colossus 19:52, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion list

I just wanted to let you know about a list of Greece-related items on Votes for Deletion. It's part of WikiProject Deletion sorting, and you can find it here. I hope you can use it to track and contribute to Greece-related deletion debates. If you find the list useful, please also help keep it up to date.

By the way, new deletion sorters are welcome and needed. Join us!

Cheers,

-- Visviva 03:42, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Happy with this page?

While this page looks good, I propose that the "Pending Tasks" template be incoporated into the main section proper. I think its too cumbersome as it stands. There should be a one-stop page for Greece-based Wikipedians which would allow us follow any edits in a much easier fashion. --Damac 13:27, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ano Dorio (about War of Independence) is in Greek on English wikipedia. Needs translation to prevent AfD.

Found Ano Dorio on WP:PNT. It's appears to be a description of the initial actions of the Pelleponesian front in the War of Independence. It looks like it's worth keeping (though perhaps under another name), but it's a bit beyond my ability to translate.

It's been listed on WP:PNT since Nov 17, and per WP:PNT policy can be AfD'd once it's 14 days old, which has long passed. Any native speakers interesting in translating it? Jamie 05:24, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How to edit the project page

How can I edit the project page so that I can e.g. add articles that need attemtion, etc?? The edit this page links to a "Todo" template. Please help? -- Michalis Famelis 16:10, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Michali, do you see the heading "Pending tasks for Wikipedia:Greek Wikipedians' notice board" in the yellow shaded box? There is a seperate "edit" link there.

I'm not happy with this setup and am thinking of removing this silly division. No other regional site has it. --Damac 20:56, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Damac! -- Michalis Famelis 22:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Record sales of Vicky Leandros

I was wondering if a Greek speaking Wikipedian could lend a breif helping hand.

In order to verify her inclusion on the List of best-selling music artists, an anonymous user has given this link. The user claims that this website (in Greek) claims that she has sold around 150 million records. I would be much happier if a registered Wikipedian could confirm this? Thanks! Robdurbar 17:20, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

• She's a well known singer, famous in the 70's. She's still active today, but not to the same extent. The site in question is a listing of (most) new Greek albums, each with publicity information from the record company, a review and a track listing. The poster is likely referring to the page for Τραγούδι αλλιώτικο, her latest album. Amongst the publicity information for this album there, is information about her previous work, some of which has indeed sold well. The web page also claims that over her entire career (which started in the 60s), she has sold around 150 million "copies" (doesn't wkat kind: albums, singles, etc...). The page is relatively long - do you need a translation, or is a confirmation good enough? Segv11 ^{(talk/contribs)} 20:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

No that's fine, thank you; the page only lists claims to sales, due to the lack of verifable proof for global sales records Robdurbar 00:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Loukas Daralas may be deleted

Has anybody heard of this person. If so, please see if you can add something to explain what's signficant about them to the article, and also you may wish to visit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loukas Daralas to have input. I'm mentioning this here, because this article was listed in the "To Create" list of this project. --Rob 21:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

He is the father of Georgios Dalaras, who changed his name fore obvius resuns.

[edit] Κωνσταντίνος Μαυρομιχάλης

Κωνσταντίνος Μαυρομιχάλης currently has two articles. They need to be merged, but there is no agreement as to which name (Kostantinos or Konstantinos) is the most accurate transliteration. Please help out at Talk:Konstantinos Mavromichalis. Thanks, Ezeu 00:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] new article

The article Slavic toponyms for Greek places needs your help. Take care. talk to +MATIA 00:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New article

I have put up a new article Cretan/Spartan connection. It is facing deletion. I ask for a vote to make it an external link. Let me know what you think of it. Thanks.WHEELER 01:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black Star / Mavro Asteri

I have, in one sense, created the article Black Star (terrorist group). In another sense, I didn't create it at all. What on earth do I mean? Please look at the article's talk page, which I hope explains the strange genesis of this article. I warmly encourage well-informed people (I'm not one) to edit the article (or do anything else with it). Thank you. -- Hoary 11:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gerasimos Kalogerakis

Gerasimos Kalogerakis has been tagged for deletion as possibly non-existent. If anyone knows anything about this guy, pls comment at the article and/or remove the tag if appropriate. Cheers, JackyR | Talk 22:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Deletion tag removed. Kindly help tidy up the article. (Read talk).  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spyridon Stais and Valerios Stais

Can someone with access to a good biographical dictionary or something like that please help to resolve confusion about these two early-20th-century guys? Are they the same person? If not, how are they related? Which of them was the archaeologist involved with the Antikythera mechanism? Which of them was Greek minister of culture at around 1904? Conflicting attributions abound, especially in web coverage of the Antikythera mechanism. See Talk:Spyridon Stais for a start. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

It's Valerios Stais. (--> Talk:Spyridon Stais) --Anastasios 02:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC) Gerasimos KALOGERAKIS is a retired Major General from the Hellenic Army. He is now an author who has written, The hellenes the sons of the twelve gods of olympus, which is a fanntastic book —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.25.230.150 (talk) 23:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cyme and related articles

Cuma, Cumae, Cyme, Kymi (Greece), Cuma (Aeolis), Cymaeans. Who can help tidy up this mess? There are three ancient cities of the same name, in Euboea, in Italy, and in Asia Minor, plus the corresponding modern town in Euboea too. Many misdirected links all over the place; Cuma is ostensibly about the Euboean one but then in fact talks all about the Italian one. Cymaeans seems to be intended to cover the Asia Minor one, but may be in fact confusing it with the Euboean one in some parts. Who has access to a good dictionary of classical antiquity? Make sure to check the "what links here" on each of them! Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Improved locator maps for Greece

I've adapted a graphic template devised by our Croatian friends to create what will hopefully be an improved method of providing locator maps for places in Greece. It's no longer necessary to create a separate locator map for each location. Instead, all you need to do is to specify a set of coordinates for the location in question and add them to the following template:

{{location map|Greece|label=<place>|position=<left/right>|width=<number of pixels>|lat=<latitude>|long=<longitude>|caption=<whatever, leave blank if you don't want one>|float=<left/right/none>}}

Here's a practical example. Vergina is at coordinates 40.4811, 22.3136. We want a small 150px wide locator map without a caption, and with the town's name right-aligned. The map on the right is produced using this code:

{{location map|Greece|label=Vergina|position=left|width=150|lat=40.4811|long=22.3136|caption=|float=right}}

See Template:Location map for more information and further instructions on syntax.

To obtain the coordinates for any given place, all you need to do is look it up on Multimap and look for the coordinates in the "Map Information" box; you will need the digital coordinates (the numbers with four decimal points), not the analogue ones (the traditional degrees, minutes and seconds). -- ChrisO 10:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paliouria

This page has been on WP:PNT for a week, no-one has done anything about it so far. Can one of you tell us what it's about, and if it's worth keeping? (And translate it if it is.) Thanks. I'd also like it if a Greek editor could regularly check WP:PNT about every week or so... We sometimes get Greek articles and could use some consistent help.

It's about a small village, and also a copyvio from [1]. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Standard naming scheme

Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help with translations

I'm currently working on a script intended to create short articles on political parties on a variety of wikipedias simultaneously. However, in order for the technique to work I need help with translations to various languages. If you know any of the languages listed at User:Soman/Lang-Help , then please help by filling in the blanks. For example I need help with Greek. Thanks, --Soman 12:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Greek law

Watching today the featured article of the main page of Wikipedia, Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I noticed the existence of a Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian law. I donot know if there are any other Greeks or interested in Greek subjects who have studied or are affiliated with law subjects. But I think it is a good idea to create a Wikipedia:WikiProject Greek law. This is a suggestion ... Are there ay other interested in to go on with such a plan?--Yannismarou 08:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Greek/Turkish naming conventions

A RfC has been started at Wikipedia:Greek/Turkish naming conventions; your input would be appreciated.--Aldux 18:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hrisi Avgi

I have greatly expanded the Hrisi Avgi article. The article is now larger than all articles on other greek parties (PASOK, ND, KKE etc). I would really appreciate feedback. Thanks in advance for your interest. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 01:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New template/category for Greek-related articles missing Greek script

I have created a new template and category for tagging articles whose name is from Greece, but which is missing that version of the name from the text. It is based on {{Arabic}}. It gathers all of these articles into the Category:Articles needing Greek script, which editors knowledgeable about Greek can add the appropriate transliterations. This will also help in finding appropriate articles in the Greek wikipedia. The template should be usable by those with little or no knowledge of Greek or the Greek alphabet. Rigadoun (talk) 21:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject History of Greece

The Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece has been launched. You can see what currently needs to be done at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History of Greece. Feel free to join, you are most welcome. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 19:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 02:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need an expert's help for the Corfu incident

This is a pre-ww2 historical event, that very few of us know, please post in it on the main board Thanks --GrWikiMan 15:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Idisis

Xero oti oli mallon tha ta ehete idi di, all se periptosi pu den ta ehete di, idu:

• Patriarch warns Turks against pope 'incidents'
• Austria calls for suspension of EU talks with Turkey

--Euthymios 08:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re paidia!

Bouzoukia re paidia! Einai dynaton se 1,5 ek ar8ra na mhn yparxoun ta bouzoukia? Gia onoma! NikoSilver 23:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anarchism in Greece

I 'm puting it here in case somebody wants to work on it. Mitsos 12:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation Help

I would appreciate it if anyone who knows what the word malakas means to help us out on [[2]]. There is a debate as to if it offensive or not. Agha Nader 00:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader

Done. NikoSilver 10:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Greek place names

I have a question about the list of Greek place names. According to the criteria at the top of the article, the list includes:

• Places involved in the history of Greek culture, including but not limited to:
  • Historic Greek regions, including but not limited to: Ancient Greece ..., Hellenistic world ..., Roman Empire and Byzantine Empire ..., Ottoman Empire ..., Septinsular Republic ..., Modern Greece and Cyprus, and also what remains of treaty Greek minorities in Turkey
  • Places that have or had important Greek-speaking or ethnic Greek minorities or exile communities
  • Places of concern to Greek culture, religion or tradition, including but not limited to: Greek mythology, Greek Jews, Greco-Buddhism, Christianity until the Great Schism, Greek Muslims.
• Places whose official names include a Greek form.
• Places whose names originate from the Greek language, even if they were never involved in Greek history or culture.

This means that the list should not simply be a directory of the names of all places in the world in Greek. The names should have a direct connection to Greek culture and the Greek language. Right? Then why does the list include cities and countries like Saint Petersburg, Cape Town, Hamburg, Australia, Belgium, Berlin, Beirut, Wallachia, Bonn, Bucharest, Brazil, Brussels, Germany, Switzerland, etcetera? These place names bear no relation to the Greek language, and as such are not Greek place names. Right? Should they be removed from the list? Aecis^Brievenbus 22:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Some of those, did or still do have important "exile communities", or "immigrant communities". I am referring to Australia, Wallachia, Bucharest, Germany, Switzerland, also with a reservation for Cape Town. Also Beirut was part of the Hellenistic world. All I'm saying is do not be too rush in removing stuff. You make a valid point, anyhow. --Michalis Famelis (talk) 13:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I won't rush into editing the article, which is why I raised the point on the talk page last week. Because there was no response and because I didn't expect a response in the foreseeable future, I decided to bring it up here. You are correct, the list of places I named above (and similar places and countries I didn't mention) should be divided in two: those with some link to the Greek history, culture, language and people, and those without links to Greece. The latter is imo the most "urgent" one, and would include places and countries like Belgium and Berlin. The problem I see, is that when you add places with no direct link to Greece and the Greek language, the list would become redundant with Wiktionary, List of country names in various languages and Names of European cities in different languages. Aecis^Brievenbus 22:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greeks in Bulgaria

Hi there down south :) I've just written an article about the Greeks in Bulgaria, but I feel it may need some help on your part. For example, you could know of some useful addition to "Notable Greeks from Bulgaria" or some curious bit to be added to the "History" section, or some other data. I'd appreciate any form of assistance. Thanks! Todor→Bozhinov 14:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, one more thing, you certainly know how Ankhialos is spelt in Greek, right? :) Todor→Bozhinov 14:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To vandalise and add Greek POV

• This section lists articles that we dont really like. Please change them the way you want.
• Turkey
• Istanbul
• Turks
• Turkish military

You should delete this section 'civilized' Greeks--Kalogeropoulos 22:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Where is this section? If it's still there, then it definitely must be removed! --Kimon^talk 20:12, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It was added by an anon vandal to the "to do" subpage, which is transcluded into the project page, in December [3]. Probably it flew underneath most people's radar because (like myself) they only had the main page but not the subpage watchlisted. Maybe we should get rid of that transclusion anyway? Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:21, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

lol Baristarim 20:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, in a way it was actually quite funny, wasn't it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Is that a guilty laugh?  ;-) (I'm kidding)

I must admit that it was a sneaky edit though. To answer Fut.Perf., I don't see the point of the transclusion in this case. I think we should get rid of it. --Kimon^talk 20:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge into WP:GREECE?

Actually, the to-do page is currently transcluded in at least two places, here and at the Greece portal. But in any case, the fact that this went unnoticed for so long indicates it doesn't get that many readers, right? And the whole noticeboard page has been pretty inactive too for a while. Maybe the whole thing should be merged into the (much more active) WikiProject? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Future Perfect at Sunrise (talk • contribs) 20:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

I don't see why not. --Kimon^talk 20:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

You mean incorporate the notice board of the main page into the project? It could be somehow combined with the announcement list and the to-do list of the project. But I must figure out how! Any suggestions?--Yannismarou 08:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, we can replace {{WPGreeceOpenTasks}} with {{Wikipedia:Greek Wikipedians' notice board/to do}}.
Honestly, from what I've seen, neither one has really been kept up to date anyway, so whichever we keep is fine by me. --Kimon^talk 14:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samuil of Bulgaria

Hi guys, we at WP:BG are developing a new version of the Samuil of Bulgaria article, hoping to bring it to WP:FA status ultimately. Could a native speaker of Greek check the Greek names in the article and correct them where needed (some use Latinicized forms where they should be using standard Greek transliteration). Also, some help in the copyediting would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Todor→Bozhinov 17:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Greek-American organized crime

Please take a look at Greek-American organized crime. The problem with the title is that it is ambiguous, it appears to link Greek Americans with the notion of "organized crime" implying guilt by association. A better heading may be Greek Americans and organized crime or some other more neutral heading you may wish to suggest. I have tried to do the same with Jewish-American organized crime by changing it to American Jews and organized crime but I was reverted, see Talk:Jewish-American organized crime#Recent page move. Only three articles in Category:Organized crime groups have this kind of "title": African-American organized crime; Greek-American organized crime and Jewish-American organized crime. So will there be 134 articles in the future about "Foo organized crime" for all 134 categories in Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and indeed for every class of human on Earth without hypocrisy??? Note how there is no article for Italian American organized crime as it's simply and correctly called Mafia. African Americans and Jewish Americans are not connected with organized crime as "representatives" or "symbols" of their race or religion. Every group has its criminals. So what else is new. Sure there are "gangs" just as there are Category:Mafia gangs in Category:Mafia groups (and by the way, if there are such African American or Jewish American gangs or groups then name them, but let's not leave it as if "guilt" is being laid at the door of all Greek Americans, African Americans or Jewish Americans etc), but the titles Greek-American organized crime or Jewish-American organized crime makes it sound, way, way bigger than it is in reality, and could easily slip into racism and antisemitism if not handled in a scrupulously WP:NPOV manner 100% of the time! The job of Wikipedia should not be to magnify the problem which is called POV editing, but to depict things accurately as they are. Please add your views. Thank you, IZAK 00:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

Anti-Hellenism article is being considered for deletion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Anti-Hellenism —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.64.96.216 (talk) 20:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] "Oedipus the King" article: stub?

Maybe I missed it amid all the lists, but shouldn't this article be a priority? When I came across it a few days ago it was a mere stub. I've added some sections to the article, which is not necessarily the same thing as improving it. The fate/free will section, e.g., is not NPOV. Can anyone make it so? The fate/free will issue is central to modern reactions to the play. What else does this article need? Surely this play deserves more paragraphs.Ifnkovhg 03:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Indo-Greek Kingdom

The FA article Indo-Greek Kingdom is currently under review to keep or remove its FA status. You can make comments and vote at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Indo-Greek Kingdom. PHG 18:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Albanian anti-Greek vandalism

I found a pattern of unjustified deletions of sourced quotations from Homer and Pliny, and other Greece-related material, from apparently Albanian nationalist User:3rdAlcove. I reported it to admins [4] with a dozen diffs, but a non-admin, July 2007 user leaped to pretend the issue was cleared [5] so it seems they have sentinels on admin areas. I'm too busy, so I leave this in your group's hands. 62.147.39.117 (talk) 00:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Frivolous complaint. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meetup in Athens

Hello! I'd like to turn the first meetup of Wikipedians in Athens, Greece to your attention. We're a group of students involving three German Wikipedia admins and have set up this meetup for March 31st, 6:00 PM (18:00). The location is (to be exspected) the Ama Lachi. We'd very much like seeing as many Wikipedians from Greece as possible. We'd also like some help with the setup of the meeting; we need a contactsman in Athens. Yours, Sarazyn • 丁人LK • DE 13:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] An Invitation from the Philippine Wikipedia Community

Hello folks,

The Philippine Wikipedia Community will be holding its 1st Meet-up in Cebu City (the fourth one in the Philippines) on June 23-24, 2008. This coincides with the first Philippine Open Source Summit, also to be held in Cebu. The Philippine Wikipedia Community is an Implementing Partner of the Open Source Summit. We invite you to join us in this event. If you are in the IT or IT-enabled services industry, this would be a great opportunity to meet people from the 4th best outsourcing city in the world. This is also a good excuse to visit our beautiful beaches :)

If you're interested in joining the Wikipedia meet-up, please join our discussion. You can register for the Open Source Summit here. If you would like some assistance with local accomodations, you may email User:Bentong Isles.

The Philippine Wikipedia Community
WP:PINOY