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[edit] Elections
Free elections? Come on! Maurice Bishop, the "Marxist" terror, was the most popular leader in Grenadan history. Following the US invasion, a bunch of good British "Sir Xs" and "Lord Ys" won what were almost certainly rigged elections -- not that it matters, the Grenadans knew very well that if they elected leaders Reagan didn't like, he'd invade again in ten minutes -- and proceeded to clamp down on free speech, close radio stations, confiscate "subversive" literature, etc etc etc. It's a corrupt pseudo-democracy set up in line with American, not Grenadan interests.
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- Grenadan interests are not different than anyone elses, and that is to have their individual rights protected. Democracy cannot legitimize a government that violates rights. There is right and wrong even in the voting booth. Freedom and sufferage are not a license to do wrong.--Silverback 19:54, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Why does wikipedia take all its country information from the CIA, anyway?
- Because it is in the public domain. However, it is up to us to make it more balanced and NPOV ...
- What I want to criticize here is that the elections that gave M.B. the power are just called "elections" and the ones after the US invasion are called "free elections", without giving any evidence in what way they were more free than the previous ones ... But the use of "free" here could make the reader think the ones before were not free.
- So I removed the "free".
- --zeno 05:38 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)
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- Bishop was never actually elected to power. He overthrew the Gairy government, and then was overthrown himself. "Most popular leader in history?" Hmmm . . . If so, why can't his party win any more elections?
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- Probably because it doesn't stand for what he stood for anymore, and because the people of Grenada fear being invaded again by the Colossus to the north if they go against its wishes. 24.3.178.63 19:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Is the mentionened COA correct (St-lucia?) Bemoeial 12:52, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC) The best time of my life in Grenada was when Bishop was running the island.
[edit] Hurricanes
Ivan struck here. I saw video of the damage in St. George's. --Patricknoddy 13:30, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)User:Patricknoddy --Patricknoddy 13:30, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)User talk:Patricknoddy 9:30 September 11, 2004 (EDT)
Ivan was a Category 3 when he struck Grenada. Pobbie Rarr 05:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Country
I take issue with the phrase "second-smallest independent country" as Grenada is not recognised as a country by the UN and does not constitute one of the 192-194 countries of the world. Can we replace "country" with "independant nation" or similar? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.126.243 (talk) 20:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
- I assume your joking, right? Grenada is a member of the UN and is most certainly a country. Russeasby 21:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board
I would like to announce the establishment of the Wikipedia:Caribbean Wikipedians' notice board. Anyone with an interest in the Caribbean is welcome to join in. Guettarda 1 July 2005 04:01 (UTC)
[edit] Independence
How can Grenada be independent if the queen of the UK is still considered the head of state? Can we at least point out the the "independence" is quasi?
- The queen is also head of state of Canada and Australia, but nobody ever calls them "quasi independent" - it's just a ceremonial position.
- Legally they are independant, they just share a head of state. The Queen is queen of many countries
Celiamaria 13:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Spelling, Grammer, Syntax, and other broken stuff
The first historical mention of Grenada/Granada in the article has the 3 a spelling. Yet there seems to be no mention of a change. What gives? Kdammers 05:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
The link to Rhonde Island on the Geography page is broken ChuckBiggs2 17:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed WikiProject
There is now a proposed WikiProject for the Caribbean area, including Grenada, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Caribbean. Interested parties should add their names there so we can determine if there is enough interest to start such a project in earnest. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:57, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV
Clearly a hit-piece on Reagan. To write about the invasion without mention of the Cold War or the pre-invasion Cuban Maxist intervention is rediculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.242.225.120 (talk) 12:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow, this article is scary in how POV it is. Just look at how much of it is devoted to the invasion and how little devoted to the government pre invasion. The invasion should be made into a seperate section and scaled down considerably with a link to the main artcle at Invasion of Grenada and the History 1958 - 1984 expanded and rewritten to be much more neutral. I am adding this to my list of things to do and urge others to help. Russeasby 13:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Attempted to edit the Independence and Revolution section. Aaronhumes--206.27.244.160 15:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- The IP editor at 164.156.231.55 is actually working to make this article even more US centric POV, especially shameful to be doing so today while they celebrate their independance. I dont have one of those roll tools installed to roll back to the "Joseph Solis in Australia". Can someone else do it? This article is going in the wrong direction. NPOV is the goal or at least representing both views. Russeasby 19:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I found a reasonalby easy way to do it Russeasby 19:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] American students comment lacks NPOV
There are numerous testimonials from the students who were at the University who claimed they were put under a 24 hour shoot on site curfew. This was claimed by both students and the US military who had taken reports. It's OK to be against the invasion, but there's been a resurgence of talk about Grenada because of the war in Iraq. After doing some research on the topic, it appears that a lot of the sources saying the students were experiencing some kind of island paradise situation is illegitimate when they clearly have their own angle (just like the US military.) Moral of the story, it's POV. That entire section shouldn't even be on this page, but on the invasion of Grenada page. This Time magazine article offers a more NPOV [1]--DevCharles 18:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- That's probably because this Wikipedia article, like many others, was written and edited by liberals or communists with too much time on their hands. The section regarding the invasion of Grenada is so obviously and pathetically biased that it's actually quite funny to read. Where do Wikipedia editors get their facts from, anyways...? Wikipedia? 70.121.163.115 01:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 1/3 born there don't live there?
This looks like a guess to me in the demograghics section, how do we know the other countries with large populations from Grenada are not counting children born to Grenada immigrants? Should we remove the comment?
[edit] Serious POV problems
"A power struggle developed between Bishop and a majority of the ruling People's Revolutionary Government (PRG), including the co-founder of the NJM, Bernard Coard. This led to Bishop's house arrest; he and many others were eventually executed at Fort George on October 19, 1983 during a hardline PRA coup which brought a new pro-Soviet/Cuban government under General Hudson Austin to power."
- Given the importance of these events, the description is absurdly short and limited in scope compared to other material in the article.
- Calling what happened a "power struggle" isn't accurate.
- The claim that a "majority" of the PRG supported the illegal overthrow, arrest and murder of Bishop is pure POV.
- Using the term "house arrest" tries to pretend that an extrajudicial action was somehow within the law. It would be more accurate to say that Bishop was kidnapped in the course of the government being overthrown.
- The description of the murders at Forrt George as "executions" is inaccurate.
- The description of the post-Bishop group as "a new pro-Soviet/Cuban government" is not accurate. The post-Bishop government was no more pro-Soviet/Cuban than Bishop's government. The difference between Bishop and what replaced him was that the new government ruled by force with no legitimacy or regard for law.
"Premier Sir Eric Matthew Gairy, who became the first Prime Minister of Grenada. Eric Gairy's government became increasingly authoritarian and dictatorial, prompting a coup d'état in March 1979 by the charismatic and popular left-wing leader of the New Jewel Movement,"
- The description of Gairy's government as "authoritarian and dictatorial" is POV.
- The description of Bishop's overthrow of the government as a coup d'etat is not remotely accurate. a coup d'etat typically involves the military of a country overthrowing the government. It would be more accurate to describe the events of 1979 as a revolution in that a small group of men overthrew the legal government by force.
- Calling Bishop "charismatic and popular" is POV. It is especially POV in the context of a description of his overthrowing the government.
70.234.244.0 15:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with almost everything you have said and have brought up the POV issues of this article in the past myself. The article needs a real expert on the topic to revamp this section. And I dont mean some expert who just reads US point of view propiganda on the subject. The reality of what happened in Grenada pre-intervention is vastly different then what was generally reported in the US media. I am not suggesting pushing a Grenada POV either, but there is a complete lack of balance right now and weasel words throughout. You seem to have a fair grasp on the topic, perhaps you can take a stab at a rewrite? The main problem that exists however is that most sources and references easily available tend to be US centric and support the US POV. One doesnt have to spend long however talking to Grenadians who lived through this whole era to realize how false much of the US POV is. Russeasby 16:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] What's a Camerhogne?
Why does the word "Camerhogne" appear twice in this article, when it is not explained? Is this a defacement? --76.224.90.253 03:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
- From googling the best I can figure is that Camerhogne was the Caribs name for the island before Columbus came along and "discovered" it. I did not find anything solid enough to properly source that though, so I am not going to jump in and change it. I suspect at one point this article probably explained the Camerhogne orgin but it got edited out through revisions, and unfortunate problem with WP sometimes. Russeasby 03:24, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] climate
grenada climate is tropical —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.155.172.38 (talk) 20:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Can you explain further? Is this a question or a change you would like made in the article? (EhJJ)TALK 21:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
