Talk:Great stand on the Ugra river

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Contents 1 Requested move 2 moving the page 3 Article's name 4 map

[edit] Requested move

See discussion below - in a nutshell, the context indicates a standoff rather than a Great Stand. Uebergeek 00:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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This seems to be a copy of Great standing on the Ugra river - the two ought to be merged. -- Beardo 12:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] moving the page

I created the page because I was editing the phrase in the page and then realized that the page has to be renamed, which I have proposed but since I cannot get into my old account (nlight) I am considered a new member and cannot make a move.

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It was requested that this article be renamed but the procedure outlined at WP:RM#How to request a page move did not appear to be followed, and consensus could not be determined. Please request a move again with proper procedure if there is still a desire for the page to be moved. Thank you for your time! -- tariqabjotu 01:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article's name

So is it Great standing or Great stand? Can someone finally clarify this? A native English speaker, perhaps? KNewman 10:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

note - perhaps what is meant is "stand off"

From the context of the article, either term "The Great Stand" or "The Great Standoff" could apply. Given that there was no military battle, I'd recommend "The Great Standoff", since "The Great Stand" carries implications not only of standing up to (facing off against) a foe, but also winning a battle or contest of some sort, whereas a "standoff", in English, means more of a deadlock or tie (which is what appears to have happened here). Uebergeek 00:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Didn't know that Britannica simply refers to it as the Battle of the Ugra... KNewman 16:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Of the three possibilities suggested so far ("Great Stand on the Ugra", "Great Standoff on the Ugra" and "Battle of the Ugra"), the "Great Stand" is the most widely-used name, according to Google. It would be nice to have some better sources for this, and we shouldn't be making up our own names for historical events. It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 17:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Is "The Great Stand" the most common on google? When I did a search, it appeared that the top link was "The Great Stand" - but it pointed to this wikipedia article. The next few slots were mixed between Great Stand and Great Standing. I presume (since I don't speak Russian) that the Russian version translates literally to "Great Standing" (especially since the sites ending in .ru seem to use this terminology). Regardless, I think the *context* better supports a translation of "standoff" rather than "stand". Uebergeek 07:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] map

while the miniature is nice...

a map showing the location of this "standoff" would be nice...

~~yuri~~