Talk:Grand Illusion (film)

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Contents 1 Problems with this article 2 Title of the film (RE: Translation) 3 Page move 3.1 The Grand Illusion (movie) → Grand Illusion 4 Producer Credit 5 The Great Escape trivia 6 WikiProject class rating 7 Requested move 7.1 Survey 7.2 Discussion 8 Fair use rationale for Image:292223.1020.A.jpg

[edit] Problems with this article

This article seems to have many statements requiring proof that are not supported by citation, such as the aim of the movie, Renoir's intentions, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.81.180 (talk) 05:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title of the film (RE: Translation)

I put the literal translation of the title, back at the foot of the article. Is there any dispute the statement is accurate? I agree that the commonly used release title scans better. Ellsworth 16:50, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

In that case shouldn't the article page be moved to Grand Illusion since this is the English wikipedia? Ellsworth 14:44, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I would have no problem with that. --ExplorerCDT 18:51, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I made a request to move it. Ellsworth

I believe the film has been released at various time's with and without the "the". When I first saw it (about 30 years ago) it was "The Grand Illusion". I don't think it really matters which entry is used if the other is re-directed. I'd vote for leaving it with the "the", because I think that is where more people would look for it.

According to the Imdb:

Also Known As: Grand Illusion, The (1938) (USA)

That might be the original release name in the US. There is a bigger issue, which I'd encourage others to weigh in. There doesn't seem to be consistancy about how the names of foreign films are handled in Wikipedia. Many if not most of the French films in Wikipedia are listed by their FRENCH names, not the English. This was discussed a bit at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style--Archive5. Policy seems to be that names should be the most common English usage (even if not technically correct). There didn't seem to be consensus on how names should be handled within articles. I'd be interested in hearing the opinions of others. --Samuel Wantman 22:59, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

(from WP:RM)

[edit] The Grand Illusion (movie) → Grand Illusion

• Grand Illusion, the English title of the film, is much more familiar to English-speaking readers. Have discussed this on the talk page Ellsworth 19:09, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
• Agreed. --ExplorerCDT 14:51, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Comment: Why this has waited for 13 days is beyond me, there are no objections. --ExplorerCDT 19:14, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• La Grande Illusion would seem to be more obvious (William M. Connolley 20:56, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC))
  • Comment: Not for the English language article. For the French version of the article (which i'm slowly translating) sure, but today all except one brief mention in 1938 the film has been marketed to the English-speaking world as Grand Illusion, and that's how it's known and referenced today, in English. —ExplorerCDT 22:38, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Producer Credit

IMDB list the Producers as Albert Pinkovitch and Frank Rollmer though both uncredited. Raymond Blondy is listed in the credits as Production Manager. Any advice on who to single out for the infobox, or is it fine as it is?

[edit] The Great Escape trivia

There was no real need to be so rude in your edit summary User:ExplorerCDT. I have been enjoying and learning about film for more than 40 years and will be happy to put my knowledge up against anyone, but that doesn't mean that there isn't always more to learn. In going through the edit history both of these pieces of trivia are unsourced which is against wikipolicy. I have seen many documentaries on all three films mentioned. While the edit about Casablanca is a possibility if you can provide a source I would be happy to read it and learn from it. But the edit about The Great Escape (on which I have also seen several documentaries about the real events of the camp including the one from last year where they found a hatch and one of the forged rubber stamps at a recent archeological dig at the site) and I have never heard of anyone saying that if they hadn't seen Grand Illusion they never would have thought to dig a tunnel. This form of escape goes back much farther than WWI. Once again if you can point me to a source where this is mentioned I will be happy to learn from it. I am, also, not going to start an edit war over this and offer my apologies for offending you with my edit but you sould not jump to conclusions about other editors knowledge. MarnetteD | Talk 04:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 03:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:292223.1020.A.jpg

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