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Contents 1 Borders of Gran Colombia 2 Panama 3 Venezuela and Colombia flags are missing 4 Finally it works 5 Name 6 Sub divisions 7 MOVE 8 Requested move 8.1 Survey 8.2 Discussion

[edit] Borders of Gran Colombia

Hello, I just have a question. Its about the map. Regarding Ecuador, I believe that most of the area that was between the Putumayo and Caqueta Rivers wa "on Dispute" with the Peruvian Republic, son I believe that the map should be modify to state that. Also, In this map particulary, the territory that is on dispute with the Empire of Brasil was legaly ceded by Perú, and is because of that secession that Peru ejoys unrestricted navigation rights trought the Amazon river. Glad to help Messhermit 19:56, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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"la Gran Colombia" is only used to differentiate of the actual Colombia, in 1821 is crate under the name of REPÚBLICA DE COLOMBIA, never Gran or Grater -- Pipodv 20:18, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) Edit from 201.243.7.67

Hello Pipodv, welcome to the English Wikipedia. This article is about the historical "Greater Colombia," not the present-day Republic of Columbia, which has an article under Colombia. Thank you for editing the English Wikipedia, your contributions regarding Colombia are welcome here, but please be sure you understand what you are editing. NTK 20:26, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Lo escribo en Español: Mi correción viene a ser quitar el Adjetivo calificativo de de Gran en el nombre oficial, dado que como tal esto nunca fue así, cuando la "gran Colombia" se fundo en 1921, en el congreso de Angostura, y sucesivametne en el Congreso de Cúcuta, fue bajo el nombre de "REPÚBLICA DE COLOMBIA": la misma estabba conformada por Cundinamarca (antes el Vireinato de Nueva Granada, y luego de la disolución, la República y confederación de Nueva GRanada, hoy acutal Colombia), Quito, hoy actual Ecuador, y Venezuela

decir que GRATE COLOMBIA fue el nombre oficial de la anterior esta errado, pero igual yo lo dejo así, yo no soy de este idioma, y la verdad no soy muy bueno escribiendo en Inglés asi que no puedo hacer mucho por acá, si alguien puede, traducir este texto al inglés se lo agradeceria

para información que considero esta correcta les recomiendo traducirla desde es:Gran Colombia aunque la misma esta incompleta

--201.243.7.67 23:19, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)---> Pipodv

I will write it in Spanish: my correction was to get rid of the qualifier Gran in the official name, because it never was so. When the "Greater Colombia" was founded in 1821 (translater comments:he/she wrote 1921, I assume that is a mistake) in the Congress of Angostura, and then later in the Congress of Cúcuta, it had the name "REPÚBLICA DE COLOMBIA": the same was true for former Cundinamarca (...today Colombia), Quito, today Ecuador and Venezuela.

To call it Greater Colombia is therefore an error. (Then he or she asks for translation of this comment and part of the spanish article.)--Fenice 28 June 2005 08:33 (UTC)

Could someone fluently bilingual and/or familiar with Colombian history research Pipodv's statements and make any necessary corrections to the article? Thanks ! NTK 13:52, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I hope the sentence I just added makes it clear. Pipodv is trying to say that Gran or Greater were not part of the official name of the Republic at the time. It is just called so to distinguish it from todays Colombia.--Fenice 05:35, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• From the comments of user:Pipodv and judging by es:Gran Colombia I would suggest to move the page to "Gran Colombia".--Fenice 28 June 2005 08:46 (UTC)

[edit] Panama

I think the following is misleading: "Panama remained as a province of this country until 1903, when – with backing from the United States in exchange for allowing the US to build the Panama Canal – it became independent. In reality, it was clandestine USA funding and armament of a small local separatist faction that achieved this, so that the US would have control over the canal zone for their own uses. There was no 'exchange', the US effectively stole Panama from Colombia through covert warfare so that they could own and run the canal zone instead of Colombia.

Panama tried separate of Colombia in 1830, 1831 and 1840 to 1841 but it failed and the isthmus was joined to Colombia as Department until november 1903.--Taichi 09:17, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

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In the part of the sparation of Panama, someone write between - - with intervension of USA. i think that is non partial to write that because is saying that if USA don't exist. i thik that if there something to say about the separation of Panama is better to put it in the Panama article anth with partiality.

If the USA had not interfere in 1903 to build the Panama Canal, Panama would have been proudly a proud part of Colombia. yussef90 22:04, 02 June 2006 (CET)

[edit] Venezuela and Colombia flags are missing

I tried to correct this using the sames flags that are in Venezuela and Colombia articles, but it doesn't work. Someone else much experienced could correct it.

[edit] Finally it works

After few hours the correction works. Hmm, it doesn't work immediately. I imagine that database system has to create a more complex link from the original one (extremely basic, the term "image" and archive name).

[edit] Name

The article's name needs to be changed: It's not "Great Colombia", but "Greater Colombia". While "Gran Colombia" is the literal translation, historians have traditionally chosen to render it "Greater Colombia" in English.

Piotr

Who keeps changing the page's name?

Piotr (Venezuela) 06:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I have redirected it to Greater Colombia. Who does not understand why I did this? I'll repeat the argument I have used before: historians have chosen to render the name "Greater Colombia" instead of "Great", as in "a Colombia that is greater in size". Therefore, this page is justified in reflecting that. Google it up if you don't believe me.

Piotr (Venezuela) 07:22, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever actually heard it called anything but "Gran Colombia." --Descendall 07:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

well are you spanish? in spanish it is called Gran Colombia but in english it has two names Gran Colombia and Greater Colombia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Amazingferret36 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Great Colombia is the more faithfull translation of its name,or if not Gran colombia alone should do,because the Adjective ¨Greater¨ implies more a irredentist cause (see Greater Serbia , Greater Romania , Greater Bulgaria...) than a Confederation of states like the Great Colombia wass.I suggest move it to Great Colombia--Andres rojas22 12:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sub divisions

the article is at start... missing:

• Department of Cundinamarca
• Department of Venezuela
• Department of Quito

and other subdivisions...

• maybe add former presidents during this time...

--((F3rn4nd0 ))^{(BLA BLA BLA)} 15:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MOVE

Great Colombia is the more faithfull translation of its name,or if not Gran colombia alone should do,because the Adjective ¨Greater¨ implies more an irredentist cause (for examples see Greater Serbia , Greater Romania , Greater Bulgaria...) than a Confederation of states like the Great Colombia wass.Besides the fact that Colombia wass an artificial name invented by Francisco de Miranda,that 30 years later took the Republic of New Granada.Great Colombia never wass ¨todays republic of Colombia plus Venezuela,Ecuador and Panama¨,but a confederation of Venezuela,New Granada,Quito,and Panama.I suggest move it to Great Colombia--Andres rojas22 16:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Since nobody explicitly opposed the suggestion of "Gran Colombia", and that phrase is very much more prevalent than either translation, I have taken the liberty of choosing that title for the article. This article has been renamed from Greater Colombia to Gran Colombia as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 20:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the reason to move this article at all. Gran Colombia is used much more widely in English then is "Greater Colombia". Example: Encyclopædia Britannica uses Gran Colombia in its entry for the subject of this article. [1]--Jersey Devil 06:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)