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[edit] Equiangular spiral

There is another name for this spiral (see heading) I think. This is because if you draw 8 lines from the centre of the spiral, the angle at which the spiral intersects them is always the same. Would this be worth mentioning?--CarrotMan 06:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The golden spiral is an equiangular spiral, but not the only one. It's already in the first sentence, if not explicitly. Melchoir 23:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The formula

Why not use the formula from logarithmic spiral? The current scheme with b raised to a power of angle in degrees is, I bet, not in any verifiable source, as it is abhorrent to a mathematician to do such a thing. It would be nice if this article would say what value of b makes the logarithmic spiral a golden spiral, instead of defining a couple of new idiosyncratic b's. Dicklyon 06:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't really understand the last comment. The form r=abθ is a simple polar exponential equation. There's nothing wrong or abhorrent about it. The equation used in the logarithmic spiral article, r =aeθt, is simply the same thing, using the natural base, e. The previous comment also states that the article doesn't give the values for b that make a golden spiral, when in fact those values are calculated for both radians and degrees. So either I'm really missing something, or the previous commenter doesn't understand the math.Goldbren 19:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I think I understand and sympathize with the comment. It's really three parts:

  • 1. why use a different formula, and a different definition of b, than what logarithmic spiral uses?
  • 2. what formula is used in verifiable sources? probably not this one.
  • 3. raising a number to a power that is an angle is "abhorrent" because an angle is not non-dimensional, unless maybe if you want to call radians non-dimensional; b in the exponent is a scale factor with units of inverse angle, but b as the base is weird.

Dicklyon 02:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I can see now why I sympathize with the comment: I wrote it! I hadn't noticed that until now. Dicklyon 05:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, I fixed it to use b the way the logarithmic spiral does, and put the other way with c as an alternate. Dicklyon 05:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


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