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Useage

Do we have any stats, on how many pages (directly or via other templates) call this template ? Or how many times it is served in, say, a day or month? Andy Mabbett 10:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Geo button

I've restored the small "Geo" button (not "banner", a it was described in the edit summary) to the top of this page. Why was it removed? This isn't in the "article space", and the button serves a useful purpose in alerting users to the presence of the Geo microfromat. Andy Mabbett 10:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

It was removed as it has no relation to the place it's displayed. The space is generally used only for featured article tags, something that applies to the entire page rather than to an element somewhere further down. BTW the source site the button comes from calls it a "Microformat Banner". -- User:Docu

The Geo microformat applies to the whole page. I'm sure that, if and when this template becomes a featured article, there will be room for that tag. The source page, http://microformats.org/wiki/buttons, refers to it as a "button". The original location is http://rbach.priv.at/2006/buttons/geo.png. Wikipedia thinks it's a button not a banner. Andy Mabbett 13:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone just changed it on http://microformats.org/wiki?title=buttons&diff=next&oldid=15083 was that you? Besides, please avoid adding links to Wikipedia just to promote sites you participate in. If it applies to the page as a whole, you wouldn't have added once more further down. -- User:Docu

No, I changed a mistaken reference to a separate, and different, single button. "please avoid adding links to Wikipedia just to promote sites you participate in" Please avoid making false accusations. " If it applies to the page as a whole, you wouldn't have added once more further down" Given that it does; and that I did; you are clearly mistaken. Andy Mabbett 16:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I confused "promotion" and "advocacy" (you are the editor of http://microformats.org/wiki?title=advocacy&action=history after all).

As there is no consensus to add the logo here, I suppose we will have to remove them for now. -- User:Docu

OK: "please avoid adding links to Wikipedia just to advocate sites you participate in" Please avoid making false accusations. There is no consensus to remove them, either. I fail to see why you insist on making an issue of this. Andy Mabbett 18:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Too much spam. How about just having useful links to maps?

The purpose of this page is too provide useful maps given coordinates. Not to promote a mapping web site or project.

Some mapping links to do not bring up a map for the coordinates. Both India map links merely bring up a website.
We have "Geo microformat" links inserted in two places that brings up a poorly written article about a mapping project.
Most of the mapping websites are frankly not that good. We have a twelve links to "Wikipedia-World" and it just brings up labels, no map.

I tried to remove the India and Geo microformat links and someone just plops them back in. I haven't tried to delete the weak entries like "Wikipedia-World", yet. If we want to allow promotion just put a section at the bottom called "Spam" and allow it there. --MarsRover 19:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I dont see why the Indian maps links should be removed as both the sites contain very detailed maps of India which are quite rare to find. Unfortunately passing the coordinates are a bit complicate, ive tried using expressions and have also asked for help, but to no avail. Maybe someone in the future canwrite the proper code for it. Its still a map resource even if it doesnt directly take you to the location -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 20:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The India section needs to go further down as the sites doen't provide direct links (the main purpose of this page). Other mapping sites requiring manual input of the coordinates are listed there as well (Template:GeoTemplate#Map_sources_without_direct_links).

As there isn't much agreement on the addition of the geo button, I removed it.

Wikipedia-World has the advantage that it's a wikimedia hosted project and does in fact plot the labels according to the coordinates (one link per language) and lists Wikipedia articles about nearby locations, a feature (at least partially) included in Egil's GIS extension (if it were enabled). -- User:Docu

The Geo microformat is not a "mapping project". If you feel that the article is poorly written, at least say why you think so, if you can't improve it yourself. Andy Mabbett 22:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I would have to agree that the Geo microformat article is not well written. To anyone not familiar with HTML, it would be completely meaningless. Missing are things like: What sort of intigration it provides with mapping software, how extensively and where it is currently used, what software/hardware supports the format, the fact that it is actually a draft specification, released by an un-named group, etc. The entire text description is only the first two lines, all the rest is HTML code implementations which normal people will scratch their heads at.

I also don't think that the microformat deserves a logo, especially at the top of the page - none of the other items in the list show logos, despite virtually all having an official logo. What makes the microformat special? A logo next to the link might be acceptable to most people, but the logo at the top of the page probably won't. --Ozhiker 23:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to attend to the points you raise (for which: thank you), probably tomorrow. The difference between geo and the other links on the template which might have logos , is that the Geo microformat is "hidden" in the page; the button is intended to alert users to its presence. Andy Mabbett 23:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I also think, that geo microformat logo is too much on top. (Even higher than "Discuss" and "Edit".) And it looks like simple banner, does it have any interesting function, except information "This page contains a Geo microformat"? I don't think so. (In this way we could have a button with "This page contains TITLE tag" or "This page contains BODY, DIV, SPAN...".) If I understand it well, then I guess that one day when browsers recognize DIV CLASS="geo" they will show automatically this button somewhere in statusbar or toolbar, so there is no need to put this image into the page.

Actually right now it reminds me buttons like "This page is (X)HTML valid". The (X)HTML is also hidden somewhere inside the page and BFU does'n care about it. But those valid-buttons are usually at the bottom of the page, not in the upper right corner.

-EnJx 00:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Foreign-language versions

I've found the German version of this template, and added the Geo microformat to it. Are there any versions in other languages? Andy Mabbett 14:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Canadian Link

I'd like to suggest adding a link to 'The Atlas of Canada' in the North American sources, epecially their topographic maps at:

http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/topo/map

These are searchable by latitude/longitude so should fit well in GeoHack. There are a wealth of other special topic maps available - all in all a wonderful source for information re: Canada. Thanks for GeoHack, its a useful tool that enhances Wikipedia tremendously! I just wish more articles had those little co-ordinate links in the top right-hand corner. Is there any sort of bot or editor that could do this or must it be done manually? Macadavy 04:33, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates and its talk page. Andy Mabbett 08:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Added 'National Atlas of Canada' link but unsure how to format "find this location" feature, please do so if you are able, TIA. Macadavy 21:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC) Macadavy

Passing a name parameter

How can I pass a name parameter to GeoHack? In the way I can pass one to google maps ? e.g. http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=30.787419,31.821367&spn=0.3,0.3&q=30.787419,31.821367(Avaris)

Multimap's new site

Multimap have refreshed their site.

It should now be in the form

http://www.multimap.com/maps/#t=l&map=<lat>,<lon>&loc=US:<lat>:<lon>

They have aerial photography as well —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.169.42.132 (talk) 09:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC).

I doubt we should use &loc=US: for places in the UK... Andy Mabbett 09:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

maps.ask.com

Is it possible to add a links to the the aerial's of maps.ask.com too? They have sometimes higher resolution than the others, and no flash is needed.

Thanks --helohe (talk) 13:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I have added it myself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Helohe (talk • contribs) 23:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Format of first set of coordinates

The two level of tables to align the both sets of coordinates was added following a request here. It allows to select a set of coordinates. This I restored it. -- User:Docu

I've returned to the version with the table columns correctly formatted and labelled; it's still possible to select coordinates. Andy Mabbett 08:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering:

How do you do copy a set of coordinates?

Is just my browser or do you also have a line reading "Coordinate Degrees-Minutes-Seconds Decimal value"

-- User:Docu

I use CTRL + C. I don't understand your latter point. Andy Mabbett 19:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

You should get twice latitude and once longitude or twice longitude and once latitude by doing that.

As the table has no borders, isn't it hard to relate "Coordinate Degrees-Minutes-Seconds Decimal value" to the lines below? Not sure if "Degrees-Minutes-Seconds" helps much btw. -- User:Docu

Incorrect latitude and longitude of Fairfax Station, VA

The latitude and longitude of Fairfax Station, VA, should be Latitude = 38.8025, Longitude = -77.3254. The current lat and long directs to Manassas, VA, a city many miles away. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deanchristesen (talk • contribs) 15:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

Fixed. In future, please report such matters on the talk page of the article concerned - or fix them yourself. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 16:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Adding article name parameter?

It could be usefull to also add the article name parameter to the template. By doing this, you could link to real names in stead of coordinates. For example: instead of linking to http://wikimapia.org/maps?ll=41.3856,2.1702&spn=0.3,0.3, with this parameter it could be possible to link to http://wikimapia.org/maps?barcelona 145.50.39.11 14:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

One wouldn't want to add coordinates, if you just need {{PAGENAME}}. -- User:Docu

click map; find new coords?

I was looking at Battle of Red Cliffs and clicked the coords atop the page.. the resulting map location is far northeast of where it should be. Is there a website where I can start at a know nearby location (maybe Dongting Lake), click the map at the place where I want to know coords, and the website will give me lat/long coords? Thanks Ling.Nut 02:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Got it. Never mind. Ling.Nut 03:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

TerraServer links not working

Forgive me if this has been brought up before, but I have noticed over the past couple of days that the TerraServer links in the Geolinks cityscale template are producing an error message. Is this a problem on their end or our end? Katr67 18:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Well-formed XML please?

At the moment the page doctype is given as XHTML 1.0 Transitional but the markup is not well-formed xml. There are only 2 places where the SGML markup breaks xml (the link element in the document head and the border attribute on the toolserver image). I'm trying to parse out the geo microfomat stuff but am having to convert from sgml to xml which is just a bit more work. Would be good if the page could be made well-formed xml

Asturian translation

ast:Plantilla:GeoTemplate

Parameters for GeoTemplate

Here are the paramters that I've found. If there are any others, please let me know. One that I would love to have is {title} such that from a {coord} an arbitrary string could be passed. This would make the markers on the maps make more sense. Heptazane 18:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Moved to Template:GeoTemplate/usage. Andy Mabbett 10:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Multiplier parameter?

I am trying to find Chinese map services to put on this page, but most of them currently doesn't support geo coordinates. I found that Sogou's map service has their own coordinate referencing system that is similar to geo coordinates; however, the longitude and latitudes are in units of about 1/30th of a second. Is there a multiplier parameter in this template that allows it to generate a variable that is a multiple of the existing parameters? --Voidvector 21:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Please insert it as a real html

Some articles (like this one Giant's_Causeway ) inject coordinates. But they do not get added correctly to the page, it is injected via some dynamic html nonsense - this means that 1. you can't edit them - which is ok, if they are correct. but 2. it also means it ends up displaying wrong for some people (like me) with the coords flying over other items on the page (the word "Coordinates" is over 'free encylocpedia'). 3. (arguably it also makes it more difficult for people to add cords to other articles where it is merited - but 2 is the killer)

Can't this be changed to it inserts its text normally like all other wikipedia tags. IceHunter 12:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

The coordinates on that page are inserted with {{coor title dms}}, which uses a <span id="coordinates"> tag. The monobook stylesheet uses CSS (not dynamic HTML) to move the contents of the tag to the top of the page. It is indeed editable; on that page the coordinates template call is in the External Links section. –EdC 10:03, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

If the CSS is causing the coordinates to display badly for you, you should report that at the talk page for the skin you're using. However, please be aware that coordinates templates have additional functionality over raw wikitext for HTML entries, and should not be removed. Andy Mabbett 10:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Usage

I've created a short page at Template:GeoTemplate/usage for usage notes. Please help to expand it. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 10:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

zumi.pl

please add this polish search map engine to list zumi.pl

If I find something on Google Maps, how do I read it's coordinates?

I can easily find Mt. St. Louis ski resort on Google Maps by starting in Barrie and then scrolling the map. Now what? After centering the map, is there some way to read the coordinates so I can paste them into the article? Maury 13:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if that can be done. Try http://www.giswiki.org/hjl_get_CoorE.htm instead -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 13:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Ohhh, excellent link, thanks! Maury 15:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Select "Link to this page" and the coordinates are in the resultant URL, on the format "&ll=52.483094,-1.89615". Make sure to trim them to an appropriate number of decimal places, rounding up if necessary, and including trailing zeroes. Andy Mabbett 16:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Mexico link

Mexico Satellite Map Interactive satellite map of Mexico with major cities and their centers mapped.

I have removed the above link because the link in its current format does not support geo coordinates. Also the map appears to be a customized Google Maps. --Voidvector 13:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Polish link / Roadmap of Poland

Hello, I can see that there are no links to maps of Poland. Please add one. I personally recommend Targeo (pl.wikipedia.org), mapa.targeo.pl

link format: mapa.targeo.pl/TITLE,,LONGITUDE,LATITUDE
example: http://mapa.targeo.pl/Katowice,,19.005,50.255

Both longitude and latitude are float numbers (degrees) describng locations on eastern (E) and northern (N) quartersphere (i.e. where Poland lies). Thanks in advance Gringoo 24 June 2007

Done. A scale parameter might be useful. --Para 14:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

the given co ordinates for little cheverell are wrong. the co ordinates are for the wiltshire village of oaksey

Cordinets go to much to the west

For some strange reason all the locations are to much to the west? The url is correct, but the link to (for example) Google map is incorrect. 64_12_60_N_20_46_94_W gives 64° 13′ 0″ N 20° 47′ 34″ W. It's suppose to link to the lake just east of the mark. Any ideas? --Steinn inn 02:21, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Which geodetic reference frame is the coordinates using? If it is not WGS 84, it probably is off. --Voidvector 02:51, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. It was my mistake. When I wrote 60 in the seconds it automaticly put the minute to +1, and that's what changed it. --Steinn inn 05:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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