Talk:Gajah Mada

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[edit] Who is Gajah Mada?

This King, or another with a similar reign, isn't mentioned in : "A History of Modern Asia", M.C. Ricklefs. Because this article is based on internet sources it may be - as Majapahit- partly or even completly wrong... --SoIssetEben! 18:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

History of Indonesia contains the same informations --SoIssetEben! 18:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Which info is incorrect? __earth ^(Talk) 03:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The King itself, or another with a similar reign, doesn't - according to the book I've mentioned above - exist. The disposer according to the book:

King Jayanagara 1309-28

Queen Tribhuwana Wijayottunga Dewi 1328-50

King Rajasanagara (Hayam Wuruk) 1350-89

The last King is named as the greatest of the dynasty, but the reign is too different from this king here. Please read my first statement for further assumptions. --SoIssetEben! 20:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I am an Indonesian and I'd like to say something about this. Actually Gajah Mada was a prime minister (as mentioned at the beginning of this article), and not a king!. He was like Bismarck, and King Rajasanagara (Hayam Wuruk) was like Wilhelm I (the German Emperor) of Hohenzollern. The article's information is more or less the same as what's being taught to Indonesia's elementary school students. Rgds XoXo 19:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, he was a patih (minister?) during Emperor Jayanagara's reign, promoted to be mahapatih (prime minister?) under Empress Tribuanatungadewi's rule, and helped Emperor Hayam Wuruk to be the greatest ruler of Majapahit ever, by expanding Majapahit's power. Matahari Pagi 07:40, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Translation: "Prime Minister"?

Folks, I'm not so sure how helpful "prime minister" is as a translation. First of all, "prime minister" means different things in different countries (Indonesia vs. Great Britain vs. Canada, etc.), so it's a tough word to use ("president" is similarly confusing). Sometimes a "prime minister" has supreme power, sometimes is a chief executive, sometimes a ceremonial figure. I wonder if there might be a better word here. Perhaps "chief advisor?" "Cabinet head?" "Crown minister?" Perhaps there's a better term from history or political science. Right now, I think "prime minister" is not a good translation. Cheers, Smilo Don 18:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)