Talk:Freydís Eiríksdóttir
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this page is not historically correct, because my family is descended from ericsson and we have kept his journals, for 1000 years, you people really need to get the facts straight
- This comment should be taken with a reasonably large grain of salt, as the same person added the comment "my grandma is leif ericsson's uncle".Simen 88 18:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Concerning right naming
It is most likely, that the husband to Freydís was named Þorvarður, but not Ehemann, hence this means husband in german, and it is not an icelandic name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psilo (talk • contribs)
[edit] merge
Agree the article Freydis Eiriksdottir is not wikified at all, and simply copied from a personal website. The article with the diacritics should be the base of the merged article. --Shuki 22:26, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Made Freydis Eiriksdottir a redirect to this article. Added the source website for the merged article into this article under "External links". Accurizer 22:53, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reference needed
According to the Icelandic account, Freydis was married to Þorfinnur Karlsefni Þórðarson. Well, I can not find or confirm this anywhere else, both Eirik Raudes saga and Grønlendingenes saga agrees that Frøydis was married to man called Torvard while Torfinn Karlsevne was married to Gudrid, widow after Torstein Eiriksson. There might be that some other Icelandic sources that claim that Torfinn was married to Frøydis that I don't know about, questions are: which ones? --FinnBjork 13:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reference needed
Where, and in which source, is it stated that she was a viking? I believe she was not. In no document before 1903 is a woman mentioned as viking.
Dan Koehl 09:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Haukurth's edits
Ok, so you're saying that I can't use a reference to portray what that reference entitles? That is non-sense, my friend. I have the right to put my reference, and detail what that reference portrays. I was wrong in fabricating with the account translation, and I will not do that again.
As for my reference, I'm afraid it stands because it enlightens the article with more facts about the battle. You see, stating an example, whether it be in the form of an author's opinion or a quote from his book, entitles me to utilize it's portrayal by which the article implies. In this case, the article implies Freydis and her voyage to Newfoundland. The article also portrays a 'battle' with which examples must be made. The example in this account, is, the example of how an arrow can bypass the skin and injure a person's vital organs.InternetHero 03:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Your addition is just redundant and detracts from the article. Can a group of warriors kill a single woman? Yes, of course, whether they are "excellent marksmen" or not. The "she portrayed her boundless courage in this encounter" part is just unnecessary flowery prose which adds nothing. As for Canadian History for Dummies I'm afraid it isn't catalogued in any library where I live so I'm unable to look up what page 36 says of Freydís. Perhaps you would be kind enough to quote the relevant part? Haukur 09:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- I undid the InternetHero's last change for the following reasons. The direct quote mentions Skrælingjar so we should link to the word and it seems neat to do it outside of the quote. I understand that the author of the Canadian History for Dummies didn't want to quote the full text but we are in a good position to do it. The text is not long and it is not difficult to understand. Finally, we should not fiddle with the direct quote even if we don't like what it says.
- Now, since the only two accounts of her life are so contradictory it would seem to make sense to discuss the accuracy of the accounts. The current version does so briefly in the lead. Do we need to say anything more? If we want to say anything more we need to do so based on reliable sources. The only option seems to be to quote the opinions of some respected scholars and this would have to be a balanced account. This text written by a professor of history at the University of Iceland contains a neat paragraph summarising the situation. Roughly it says that Eiríks saga rauða used to be considered more accurate, then professor Jón Jóhannesson argued that Grœnlendinga saga was the more accurate one but the most recent work of Ólafur Halldórsson concluded that neither could be considered more accurate than the other. They were roughly the same age and both were based on (different) hearsay. I'm not sure these details are really relevant to this article, the lead seems to summarise the situation pretty well. Stefán 18:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, you're absolutely right. I wasn't following the Wiki rules probably either. I put in a note on the encounter, not to assert my position, but rather improve the quality of the article. I hope that it suffices. As the 'Norse colonization of the Americas' article, I shall not keep in mind the thought that it should be used as a note, but rather the notion that it be used as an external link later in the future. InternetHero 03:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- The latest point of conflict here seems to be whether we should give more context for the battle. Wikipedia rules don't allow us to copy text directly from a copyrighted work such as this (unless we can claim fair use which does not apply here). We can quote sections of an uncopyrighted work such as the original source. The relevant material is in Chapter 12. Haukur's version contains a quote from the third and part of the fourth paragraph in this Chapter, but InternetHero wants to give the background which is discussed in the first two paragraphs of Chapter 12 and also a little bit in Chapter 11. It is probably too much to quote two whole chapters from the story but if there is some background material from these two chapters which is important then we can add that (or paraphrase it if it is too long). Internethero, can you look over these chapters of the original source and see if you would like to use it. Stefán 18:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I didn't re-write the translation in any way. Giving information IS what Wikipedia is about. Freydis would not be remembered if she didn't make herself know IN the battle. I am merely giving information about the battle. I am trying to contribute to the paragraph (or shall I make al my paragraph a few sentences from now on?) and it is not a mere matter of the natives respecting Freydis anymore - indeed you have changed the paragraph to words much more suitable. As Stefan has explained, I cannot re-write the translation in any way, and I won't. I came across this article yesterday as a person who was trying to explain why the vikings withdrew.
I don't see what the problem is. I have written it in my own words, without simply copying and pasting, and I plan to do it to all my articles. As for copyright infringement, you have neglected to hear my reason yet agtain, so here it is again. Please read the site tab 'non-commercial use'. I knew you didn't read the proclaimer/disclaimer. I hope that since we're both people who want to improve literature in our region, we can work together.[1] InternetHero 22:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Every time you edit a page on Wikipedia you will see this text in big bold letters: "Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license. It will be deleted." A licence for non-commercial use is not sufficient for GFDL-compatibility. Haukur 23:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
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- The section we are arguing about now is describing the story as it appears in Eiríks saga rauða. We have (a translation of) the original source. The text is quite short, as I said above, it is in Chapters 11 and 12. We don't need to use material from anywhere else to summarise the story. Which parts of the story as described in these chapters do you think are important with respect to the character Freydís Eiríksdóttir as she appears in this story? Stefán 23:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
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The above shall be done from now on. My additions are important because it gives an explanation of the category holder which is the Viking's withdrawal. Deleting my work on Norse colonization of the Americas is absolutely the last straw. I have made all the efforts to give references and now have agreed to build upon the original work. As for copyright infringent. That is non-sense. I have written to the National archives of Canada several times already and plan to give proper Wikipedia:Verifiability claims.
I have read both the [2] article and the [3] article. From what I can comprehend, I see nothing wrong with both violations of copyright, and verifiability.
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- The licence has to be GFDL-compatible. This one isn't. And you don't have to take me word for it, you can ask over at, say, WP:AN or anywhere really. Haukur 01:04, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
If that's not a licence, then there's no such thing. 208.96.111.229 03:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
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