Talk:Fourth Reich
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[edit] Citation needed
+ I have edited the remark about democracy in a way that less likely needs a citation. However, a citation would still be nice....
~Anonymous
[edit] Volksdeutsch
"The Soviet Union and Poland had essentially removed - to put it politely - their Volksdeutsch elements after the war."
I don't understand what this sentence is saying, and why it supports the notion of a unified Germany as a 4th Reich. I've left it in for now because it sounds interesting, but I shall remove it soon if no more explanation is added.
Rdr0 16:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Technical Fourth Reich
The current Federal Republic of Germany isn't technically a Fourth Reich, because it is separate from Austria. If the 2 states would merge, than it would technically be a Fourth Reich. It corrected this.
>>Rdr0: After WW2, the USSR, Poland, and Czechoslovakia have exiled all the germans living on their new territory (those were a few million). This supports the notion of Fourth Reich because there are no german minorites outside the Federal Republic.
80.170.39.111 20:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- This is nonsense. "If" Germany and Austria would merge - there are no provisions whatsoever concerning this in both countries' constitutions -, a new hypothetical state would not be a "Fourth Reich". Indeed, the term "Third Reich" was a Nazi propaganda term to establish a succession to the Holy Roman Empire and the German Empire. It was also technically wrong because Nazi Germany evolved from the Weimar Republic and, while it was an oppressive totalitarian system - as opposed to the democratic Weimar Republic -, the was no king, emperor or royal family or any form of monarchy that would "allow" the term "Reich". The term itself is simply an abbreviation for "Königreich" (Kingdom) or "Kaiserreich" (Empire). As both the Federal Republic of Germany and the Federal Republic of Austria are republics - as denoted in their names -, there is no way a hypothetical Austrian-German country could be a "Reich" whatsoever. Cheers, Something Wicked 22:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I object to the use of the term "German states" for Austria and Germany. If you must, please write "the two german speaking states". The whole sentence as it stands now gives somehow the impression that Germany and Austria were united after the fall of the Berlin Wall, which is NOT the case It was of course Germany and the People's Republic of East Germany).
Concerning the last part, there are still a lot of traditionally German speaking people (if you want "Volksdeutsche", but it is such a fascist term, that it leaves me a bit queasy) living in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kasakhstan, Uzbeskistan, Hungary, Italy, Rumania, that it really doesn't make sense to give that as a reason that recent Germany could be called a "Fourth Reich". So, editing this article is clearly necessary.
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- Germany and Austria don't have to conclude another Anschluss to constitute a "Fourth Reich". Bismarck's German Empire was the Second Reich, without Austria included. If the German monarchists ever got their way and the Hohenzollerns were restored, the German government would probably call that a "restored Second Reich" rather than the "Fourth Reich" because that term has been co-opted by the neo-Nazis and because they wouldn't accept the "Third Reich" as legitimate in the first place. 74.251.200.216 (talk) 16:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Republicans and the Fourth Reich
Hilarious as the current version of the article is (and with multiple edits supporting it!), I'm reverting this to something that makes sense. If anyone has a genuine beef with this, let me know. Vygotcha 19:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 3rd vs 4th
I read some time ago, in an article about the Neo-Nazis, that the NeoNazis distinguished between the 3rd & 4th Reichs. The 3rd was mostly 'Old Timers' (survivors of the Nazi Empire of the 30s & 40s), for the most part SPYDER and other South American groups, and the next generation (this was in the 70s and 80s), largely based in Europe, were the 4th. CFLeon 04:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 'Popular culture' section
This batch of listcruft and song lyrics overpowers the small amount of actual information in the article, making a half-way decent article look unbalanced and juvenile. I'm removing it. --CliffC 00:47, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Drive East
1.Have you seen where Eurosceptics link leads to? 2.As far as I'm informed Drang nacht Osten politics traces back to the 8th or 9th century AD,
i.e. colonisation and conquer of land east of Germany (Holly Roman Empire) or the 1st Reich, that is Slavic Lands.That is for sure one of the things that all four reichs (including EU) had in common. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.93.78.217 (talk) 12:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
