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1 IC Warning
2 Phaeton
3 Infobox streamlining
4 Iris Allen/ Iris West
5 Please help fix redirects!
6 flash in current Apr 06 legion issue 15
7 Fair use rationale for Image:Barryallen-kitson.JPG
8 Fair use rationale for Image:Showcase4.JPG
- 8.1 Marv Wolfman, Editor-in-Chief
9 Fair use rationale for Image:Quasar1.gif
10 Fair use rationale for Image:KennyJohnstonFlash.JPG
- 10.1 plastic surgery?
11 Yeah right. Pull the other one.
12 Category:DC Comics characters who can teleport?
13 Real World Character history vs. In-world Character History
14 Final Crisis image

[edit] IC Warning

I feel that it may be presumptive to state that the hero warning Dr. Light is Barry Allen, at this point. While, the Flash warning the Japanesse heroine was wearing Barry's costume, it may be Bart, or another speedster, (as Superboy-Prime upon leaving the Speed Force also had a new costume). Stating the speedster wore Barry's costume, rather than asserting the man himself, would help to improve the quality of the section to the standards of Wiki. (I suggest re-editting "Is a matter of fact" or at least making it a complete sentence.)

I agree with you on that, and I actually edited it along those lines shortly before reading your comment. -- user:driscolj

Archive 1: Kitson's Image Discussion

[edit] Phaeton

I don't think Phaeton from League of Justice really belongs in the Barry Allen article. Phaeton is based more upon the Flash in general as opposed to Barry Allen. -- user:driscolj

[edit] Infobox streamlining

Please see revelant topics at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/templates and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Infobox: Powers section. Thanks. dfg 05:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iris Allen/ Iris West

I think there should be a page dedicaded to her, I mean she dies, is from the future, is born in the past? Its very confusing, Im sure there is enough about her to warrent a seperate page, not just a redirect back to The Flash(Barry allen)

Yes, there needs to be an entry. She is very much a character separate from Barry, and she continues to show up as recently as a few months ago. Her relationships with Wally and Bart are important in addition to her relationship with Barry, and "she wrote" the history of the Flashes. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please help fix redirects!

[1] Whoever renamed this from Barry Allen didn't fix any of the redirects.--Exvicious // + @ 03:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] flash in current Apr 06 legion issue 15

the legion destroyed the anti monitors weapon in issue 15 leaving a live barry allen is this where he comes from to countdown —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.139.142.182 (talk) 23:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Barryallen-kitson.JPG

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Showcase4.JPG

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[edit] Marv Wolfman, Editor-in-Chief

I don't believe that Wolfman was ever editor-in-chief at DC Comics, as stated in the "After Death" section. --Vlouie01 15:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Quasar1.gif

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:KennyJohnstonFlash.JPG

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[edit] plastic surgery?

Towards the end of the flash run, before crisis, did Barry get plastic surgery due to a severe beating that changed his physical appearance permanently? I seem to remember this happening in the last few issues of the flash comic, but am unsure. I think this would be a significant addition to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.189.7 (talk) 22:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

In the middle of his trial after he was savagely beaten by a villain, he had the Gorillas at Gorilla City remake his face so that he could let Barry Allen die. When his lawyer revealed his face at trial no one knew who he was because of the plastic surgery. Aparently he had it changed back in the future, because later scenes of his life in the 30th century show him with his original face. Spanneraol 23:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yeah right. Pull the other one.

Batman once said "Barry is the kind of man that I would've hoped to become if my parents hadn't been murdered".

Where'd that come from? Admittedly I never memorized every single thing ever said by Batman, but that sounds very out of character. Does anyone know where and when this was published? If we can't cite the source, can we remove it? Even if we can cite the source, I vote dumping it anyway cuz it sounds pretty stupid. ZachsMind (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:DC Comics characters who can teleport?

I found The Flash in the above category, I admit I'm not a big comic reader so forgive me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge but he doesn't teleport in the true sense of the word does he? he's just very fast. He couldn't appear the other side of walls or bars for example, could he? (without running around them) I skip read the article and found nothing of teleporting mentioned in it. Should it be removed from this category? Even the vibrating thing would this be teleporting or more like phasing - Carlwev (talk) 11:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

We're currently debating this caveate at Talk:Flash (comics)#Teleporter. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 22:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Real World Character history vs. In-world Character History

This article on Barry focuses to much on the in-world retcon and not enough on the History of the Character as Published (according to a RealWorld Timeline). DC is welcome to rewrite the In-World History but not the Real World history. Pre-Crisis Barry (Flash 105 through the 80's when my collecting dropped off when I went to college) was a very different Character than the retcon'd Barry described here. Supergirl and Superman articles do a better job of covering both In-world history and Real-World. The Barry here is the rebooted Barry, his family history and character are good examples. Are there any other Flash buffs out there who could help flesh out the (now referred to as) Pre-Crisis Barry? -- BrianFennell (talk) 13:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

More (original) Information on Pre-Crisis Barry Can be found here:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/series/89684/ref=pd_serl_books?ie=UTF8&edition=hardcover

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/books.html

-- BrianFennell (talk) 00:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Please note: New sections are supposed to wind up at the bottom the the talk page. - J Greb (talk) 00:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, extolling the need to have real world context, but then suggesting reprint volumes (4 archives, 2 "Greatest Stories", and 1 "Showcase Presents"), a website selling the Archives, and a website that is a bibliography of the comic book appearances, doesn't give a working starting point.

That said, The Flash Companion (1893905985) might actually have some value... - J Greb (talk) 00:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

J, by "real world" context I mean the character as originally developed in "our world" not the character as "re-imagined" in their world. Reprints of hard to find material are useful. I cannot scan in my whole collection, but an interested party could get the original material (reprinted) via interlibrary loan. Unfortunately I could not find a better list of reprint material on free sites. If you are interested helping with the article, I have most of the original run starting with Flash #105 (with a few holes). --BrianFennell (talk) 06:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Final Crisis image

Regarding the Final Crisis image that is being constantly added:

It doesn't meet the criteria for the infobox in that the pose id contorted, the character is distorted, and key elements (the chest emblem) are obscured.
At present it is only being used to show how the character is supposed to look in a yet to be published issue of a yet to be published series. This appearance is not substantially different from how the character has always been portrayed. And assuming the obscured element is there, it's identical to those portrayals.
Policy, WP:NFCC#3a, is clear on this, non-free images are to be limited to 1 (one) image only per aspect of the topic illustrated. The infobox image's purpose is to show "how the character looks". Adding other images that only duplicates that function is a gross breach of policy.

Right now, there is no reason, given or apparent, to justify the inclusion of the Final Crisis promotional image.

- J Greb (talk) 11:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

For the final two points, the image qualifies. This is how the character will appear as drawn by J.G. Jones in Final Crisis, and Dan DiDio himself has confirmed that Barry will appear in the series drawn by Jones. [2] The article doesn't seem overpacked with it included either, since the images are limited. Besides, articles like that of Captain America slightly violate the policies you've outlined, but maintain the images for article aesthetics. This is really quite trivial. --CmdrClow (talk) 18:43, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

First off, using "Well this article is in conflict with policy and no one is squawking" doesn't hold a lot. At best it means the other article(s) need to have the images looked at. (And as an aside, only 2 of the images within Captain America are strictly "And cap looked like", The convention program and Captain America #78. Captain America v5 #5 is boarder line ("as a member of") as is Captain America #350 ("Cap as the Captain"). But that is a set of issues to bring up there.)

Second, it's still "And Barry Allen as the Flash looks like he has since 1956", regardless of it being "in the hot new series or by this current named artist". If that's the only reason for the image to be placed, it's unjustifiable.

Third, lack of images in the article does not mean policy gets waived. If more images are needed, lets flesh out the points that are missing like: a conventional image of Barry as Barry, the character's "death", either and example of him vibrating through something or using the cosmic treadmill, killing Prof Zoom, or similar.

- J Greb (talk) 23:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

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