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Appreciate that some folk have specific preferences - in this case the latinized form, "Gustavus Adolphus". But the sources used Gustav Adolph - and I prefer to remain true to the source. And the link takes you to the same place. Williamborg 00:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please take your name war where it belongs - on the Gustav Adolph II of Sweden page

This issue goes beyond place names to include King’s names. The use of the Latinate form in English writing for Swedish terms is a puzzling (and confusingly inconsistent) practice. For example the List of European regions with alternative names suggests using the Latinate Scania for the Danish, Finnish, Swedish and Norwegian “Skåne”.

Polling a series of geography & history books (all published in English), one finds:

• A History of Norway by Karen Larson, Princeton University Press, New York, 1948 uses Gustaf Vasa, Gustaf Adolph and Skaane
• Sweden and the Baltic, 1523 - 1721, by Andrina Stiles, Hodder & Stoughton, London; 1992; ISBN 0-340-54644-1 uses Gustav Vasa, Gustavus Adolphus and Skåne
• The Struggle for Supremacy in the Baltic: 1600-1725 by Jill Lisk; Funk & Wagnalls, New York, 1967 uses Gustavus Vasa, Gustavus Adolphus and Scania
• The Northern Wars, 1558-1721 by Robert I. Frost; Longman, Harlow, England; 2000 ISBN 0-582-06429-5 Gustav Vasa, Gustav Adolph but then uses Scania
• History of the Norwegian People by Knut Gjerset, MacMillan Company, New York uses Gustavus Vasa, Gustavus Adolphus and Skåne
• Admiral Thunderbolt by Hans Christian Adamson, Chilton Company, Philadelphia, 1958 uses Skaane
• South Norway by Frank Noel Stagg, George Allen & Unwin, Ltd., London, 1958 uses Gustav Vasa, Gustav Adolph and Skaane
• West Norway and its Fjords by Frank Noel Stagg, George Allen & Unwin, Ltd., London, 1954, uses Gustav Vasa, Gustav Adolph and Skaane
• The Heart of Norway by Frank Noel Stagg, George Allen & Unwin, Ltd., London, 1953. uses Gustav Vasa, Gustav Adolph and Skaane
• Scandinavia; An Introductory Geography, by Brian Fullerton & Alan Williams, Praeger Publishers, New York, 1972. uses Skåne
• Scandinavia; at War with Trolls by Tony Griffiths, Palgrave MacMillan, Australia, 2004 ISBN 1-4049-6776-8 uses Gustav Vasa, and Gustav Adolph
• “A Revolution from Above” by Øystein Rian and Nils Vilstrand, Odense University Press, Denmark, 2000, uses Gustav Vasa, and Gustav Adolph
• “Urban Development in the Alpine and Scandinavian Countries” by E.A. Gutkind, The Free Press, New York, 1965, uses Gustavus Vasa', Gustavus Adolphus and Skåne

So it is pretty much a matter of taste. I have two recommendations, in the order that I’d prefer following:

1. Leave well enough alone. If you find “Gustaf Adolph” and think this might mislead someone, revise it to “Gustaf Adolph (also Gustav Adolph or Gustavus Adolphus)” the first time it appears in an article.
2. And lacking agreement on that approach, we could contact the Svenska Utrikesdepartementet (Swedish Ministry of Foreign Affairs) and ask what they use for their style guide when writing about Swedish kings & provinces in English.

Thanks - Williamborg 14:43, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This issue having been resolved in 2005 the page was blanked, however, I am reinstating it for historical reasons. __meco 09:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tension or shrewd politics?

I´m not sure whether the reason for the expulsion of Finnish settlers from Sweden's border regions to Norway (they had nowhere else to go on foot, right?) was because of tension between them and the Swedish inhabitants (were there Swedish inhabitants in an uninhabitated place?) or parasitic Swedish expansion policy. After the Finnish settlers had inhabited the unhibated areas of Sweden's forest regions they were more or less expelled by force from their landposessions so that the Crown could take control of the lands and it's richnesses (read: copper and iron). —Preceding unsigned comment added by TommyJaasko (talk • contribs) 22:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)