Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/1926 World Series

*"The 1926 World Series was the championship series of the 1926 Major League Baseball (MLB) season" link to 1926 Major League Baseball season here.

• • Fixed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 14:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• "featuring the St. Louis Cardinals against the New York Yankees. The best-of-seven series, which took place at Yankee Stadium and Sportsman's Park, resulted in the Cardinals defeating the Yankees four games to three." I would reword this so the bit about the teams is one sentence, the bit about the venues is another and the bit about the result is a third.
• "10 World Series" ten
  • Per WP:MOSNUM, numbers over 9 can be written as figures, not words. I've used this style throughout the article. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 14:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Yankee Stadium was packed with 61,658 fans on 2 October to watch the inaugural game of the 1926 World Series. The thousands of fans who could not get tickets for the game went downtown to City Hall to watch the game's progress being charted on two large scoreboards." needs ref. Also why "packed" it appears again in game 3?
  • Added ref. Removed "packed" from Game 3. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 14:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• What is the purposes of having Image:Lou Gehrig HoF.jpg, in game 6?
  • For the sake of having images. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 14:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
    • I believe Bole means that the photo doesn't have a fair-use rationale for this article. The rationale it has is for Gehrig's page. I noticed a couple public domain pictures of Gehrig in his article, so why not use one of them? Giants2008 (talk) 19:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Replaced with a free image of Gehrig from his Columbia days. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments - This is the first article involving my beloved Yankees to reach FAC during my time as a reviewer, and it's a World Series they lost? Come on! :-( Seriously, here are question marks from my first look.

• "under starting pitcher Herb Pennock" Under seems odd to me. Can another term be used instead?
  • The previous word used was "behind". Is that any better? Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Why is Babe Ruth not linked at first use?
  • Link added. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• "by Ruth again in 1928". Again doesn't work well here.
  • It made sense to me. I'll remove it, though. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• "and the series championship" Pick between series and championship.
  • Fixed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• "decided to try to steal second base". Try "decided to try stealing second base".
  • Fixed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Background, fourth paragraph: There is an inconsistent use of hyphens when it comes to pennant winner.
  • Fixed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Cincinnati Reds linked twice in section.
  • Second link removed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• It says both teams were confident heading into the series, but there is nothing on the Cardinals in this paragraph. Also, weren't the Yankees heavy favorites going into the Series? The underdog angle could be interesting.
  • I have some NYT articles regarding the WS odds. I'll look into it. I couldn't find a quote from any of the Cardinals regarding each team's confidence. In a previous version of the article, I mentioned that Hornsby expressed confidence that his team would win. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Watch out for jargon like bloop, loaded up the bases, bunt, and shot. As a sports fan this is difficult for me to catch, but FAs must be accessible to all.
  • I'll look into this. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• "and grounded the ball to the shortstop".
  • Fixed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Cardinals' losing pitcher Sherdel pitched" Redundant. Maybe "threw"? Something also seems off at the start of this sentence.
  • Reworded to "Cardinals' losing pitcher Sherdel threw for". Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I left you a note in Bole's photo comment, so take a look at that as well. Giants2008 (talk) 19:17, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

• Game 2: "Alexander had pitched a 12–10 record in 200 innings" Pitched? Try compiled.

• Replaced with complied. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 01:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• The caught stealing thing could be confusing for non-baseball fans, since he was actually safe. I'm sure people will wonder why it says caught, and won't know the rule on scoring such plays.

• Replaced with "...was called out when attempting to steal X base..." « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 01:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• Sloppy wording: "Hornsby grounded out to the Koening".

• Removed "the" « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 01:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• "Yankees' manager Miller Huggins came out of the dugout and took Shocker out of the game and called in Bob Shawkey from the bullpen to replace him." Try "out of the game, calling in".

• Replaced. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 01:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• Game 4: "Hoyt had thrice been part of the New York Yankees team that went to the World Series". Try "Hoyt had thrice been part of New York Yankees teams that went to the World Series".

• Fixed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 13:34, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• "allowing Gehrig to score and keep the bases loaded" Keeping.

• Replaced. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 01:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• Move ref 49 after parenthesis.[User:Giants2008

*Oppose: criterion three issues:

• • Image:BRuth1921-2.jpg - needs a verifiable source per WP:IUP
    • Can't find the source, properly tagged and notified uploader; swapped with Image:Ruth1920.jpg. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 01:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
      • Ok, so the replacement was created in 1920. When was it first published? The two are not the same and only the latter is the PD-US criterion. See also my comment at the Hornsby IfD. ЭLСОВВОLД _talk 02:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
        • I'll investigate. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 03:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
          • I replaced the image with a public domain image of Ruth from the Bain collection. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Image:GehrigCU.jpg - the source does not assert a date of first publication. What is the basis for the PD-US claim?
    • I was under the impression that Gehrig left Columbia in 1922, but it appears he left in 1923. Removed image for now. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 01:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Image:Rogers Hornsby.jpg - what is the basis for the claim that the copyright holder released this into the public domain? As the copyright holder would be the original photographer, this does not appear likely to be the case. The source site (a hobby Tripod page) "assumes" PD with no reasoning therefor and implicit uncertainty. Nothing is PD without a reason; Wikipedia should not be representing images as being in the public domain without substantial and reasonable certainty (i.e. verification). ЭLСОВВОLД _talk 00:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Sent to IFD, image removed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 01:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

* What makes http://www.retrosheet.org/ a reliable source?

• • Recall the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/J. R. Richard? Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 03:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

This is what I get for traveling. Oops! Ealdgyth - Talk 23:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• Likewise http://www.baseballlibrary.com/homepage/?
  • See [1]. All the information comes from Charlton's Baseball Chronology, compiled by James Charlton and 50 other researchers. I would consider Charlton's work to be reliable. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 23:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
    • The J. R. Richard FAC above also covers Baseball Library, I believe. Giants2008 (talk) 01:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

See above. Brain cells are officially mush, sorry about that! It's now on my cheat sheet, so hopefully I'll not forget again! All done! Ealdgyth - Talk 13:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

• Current ref 59 "Cass, George "Obscure Records part of the ..." is alcking a last access date
  • Added. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 03:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments from « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie

Overall awesome article - filled with jargon and POV though. Some comments:

Game 3

• ” were treated like champions by fans and citizens alike.” – You can’t be sure they were “treated” like them.
  • I don't know about this; I only made that point because of the text in the previous clause. I do believe that's the wording used by Eig (2005), p. 76. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” sedan priced at US$4,000 and paid…” – Can you give today’s cost (approximately)
  • Added current buying power. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” receiving their star treatment from…” – “Star” = POV
  • Not really POV, more likely a word I should have avoided. Removed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” starter who posted a 13–4 record” – “Posted” = Jargon
  • I think "posted" is okay to use, but in any case, I have removed it. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ”183 innings of work.” – Work? Okay work, but say something like pitching?
  • Removed "of work". Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” Starting for the Yankees was southpaw Yankees' starter Dutch Ruether had a 14–9 record with a 4.60 ERA.” – Missing a word?
  • Ah, thanks for that. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” Les Bell, a .325 hitter with 17 home runs on the season…” – “On the season”?
  • Reworded to "that season". Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ”… after Billy Southworth beat the tag at home after a Jim Bottomley grounder” – Too many “afters”
  • Replaced second "after" with "following". Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” by yielding two weak infield groundouts…” – Yielding?
  • Yielding, as in "giving up" two weak infield groundouts. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ”…Myles Thomas came in to pitch a perfect ninth” – Perhaps hitless instead of perfect?
  • Fixed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” Haines pitched a complete game shutout,” – Shutout should be scorless (you’ll have to reword the sentence as well as “…complete game shutout” doesn’t make sense.
  • Why doesn't it make sense? I'll add a link to shutout if that helps. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Game 4

• ” Starting Game 4 for the Yankees was future Baseball Hall of Famer Waite Hoyt. In the 1926 season,..” – Do you really need “1926” – you never mentioned the season with other pitchers.
  • Removed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” who had led the team with a .741 winning percentage and 258 innings pitched.” – Shouldn’t “and 258…” be “in 258…”
  • He led the team in both winning percentage and innings pitched. I added the word "both" before "a .741 winning..." Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” Koenig, Rhem surrendered a solo home…” – “surrendered?”
  • Changed to "gave up". Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ”Bob Meusel followed by drawing a walk…” – Drawing?
  • Reworded. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ”… followed by drawing a walk, and was tagged out at home after attempting to…” Hmm… shouldn’t “and” be “but?”
  • Yeah, I just noticed that. Fixed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” Rhem's pitch out of the park for his…” – Blah! Jargon!
  • Reworded to "...hit Rhem's pitch for his second home run of the game." Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” Joe Dugan knocked him in with…” – “Knocked?”
  • Reworded to "...and Joe Dugan hit a run-scoring double". Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” went full-steam towards…” – Reword “full-stream”
  • Reworded to "...and Dugan ran towards home. He was tagged out at the plate by catcher Bob O'Farrell. ". Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” game tied at three apiece and…” – Is “apiece” really necessary?
  • I see what you mean, but I don't think including "apiece" hurts the article. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” before unleashing a long…” – “Unleashing?”
  • Changed to "hitting". Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” unsuccessfully tried to stretch it into a double, and he was tagged out at second base…” – You already said “unsuccessfully”
  • Removed the second clause. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” allowing two earned runs on 14 hits,” – “two” or “2” – “14” or “fourteen?”
  • two and 14; Numerals over 9 are written as figures, those under are written as words. That's the format I've used for the article. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” The Cardinals' five pitchers combined to give up 10 Yankee runs and 14 hits….” -- (See above comment)
  • Same reason as above. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” With the series tied at two games apiece…” – “apiece” necessary?
  • Same response as before. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• ” teams eagerly anticipated…” – Eagerly?
  • Removed the word. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
• Stopped at “Babe Ruth and Johnny Sylvester” - That’s it for now, « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 02:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)