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This article was nominated for deletion on January 20, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Archive 1 - ended 2006
Archive 2 - ended Arpil 2007

Contents 1 POV? 2 Education 3 Rewrite the first line 4 Exopolitics in it's new & old perpose

[edit] POV?

This whole article seems extremely biased in favor of the existence of extraterrestrial life. Something for which there is no real evidence of. It seems like a bunch of made-up nonsense to me. 75.72.177.85 (talk) 23:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Contrary to the POV authors bias that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial life, just the opposite is true. The author has not looked in the right direction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikejbird (talk • contribs) 02:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect, the people who are reediting this section don't know what they are doing. The present description is far too constricted. As someone who has been involved with the development of "exopolitics" from its beginnings, I have tried to write an appropriate listing only to be reedited again and again by individuals who know next to nothing about the use, history and context for this subject. Case in point, the statements above reflect little more than sheer ignorance. Wikipedia needs to be careful when dealing with new concepts. If you don't allow the experts in emerging fields to shape the sections relevant to those fields, you end up with at best a consensus of the uninformed and at worst a salad composed of ignorance and bias.Steve (talk) 07:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Education

why was the education removed? (:O) -Nima Baghaei ^{talk · cont · email} 23:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

=== Education ===

In 2005, Rebecca Hardcastle taught a non-credit exopolitical class at Scottsdale Community College called Extraterrestrial Reality.[1][2] ^ Pela, Robrt L. (January 13, 2005). Space Crash Course. Phoenix New Times. Retrieved on 2007-04-06. ^ Davis, Scott (January 21, 2005). Passion for the paranormal? Take a UFO class. Fox 11 AZ. Retrieved on 2007-04-06.

Somebody teaching a non-credit course at a community college is non-notable (barring some extraordinary circumstances). Sorry, but "exopolitics" is patent nonsense from the tinfoil hat crowd. Eleland 23:25, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

• please specify exactly where in non-notable is stated that a non-credit course at a community college is not notable, i am going to ask for a third opinion on this also because i found it very notable actually (:O) -Nima Baghaei ^{talk · cont · email} 23:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:NOTABILITY does not list every possible example of a non-notable fact, and asking for this seems petulant and childish. It's a trivial fact. It doesn't matter. There are community college courses on all kinds of things.

As a side note, the term "Exopolitics" does not occur in either of those two linked articles, so I would say it's factually inaccurate as well as irrelevant.

Eleland 02:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

• exopolitics is the study of the interaction between humans and extraterrestrials, which is what the course was on, so yes it does count ... anyways lets wait for more opinions on the matter (:O) -Nima Baghaei ^{talk · cont · email} 02:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The notability of the course in itself is irrelevant, it could be a night class at the Y for all that it matters. Rebecca Hardcastle is a notable individual in this field therefore the existence of the course can be included based solely in the grounds that she is the one teaching it. - perfectblue 10:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Saw this at Wikipedia:Third opinion. My impression is, as a piece of data on its own, this could stand because the source is independent and adequate. However, what does this matter to the subject of Exopolitics? It sounds extremely minor. If the article is to include this, it must have some explanation why anyone would care... and THAT is what will be inadequately sourceable. In other words, to attribute importance to this without a source would be WP:OR, and to include it without attributing importance to it would not make sense. Mangojuice^talk 11:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I also saw this at Wikipedia:Third opinion. I think the notability of the subject as a whole is dubious, possible neologism, though I notice it survived a delete debate over a year ago. With regards to the source, having read the article, it is clear that the woman is not talking about this subject, but rather aiming to 'study' or 'teach' some paranormal/spiritual/UFO type beliefs (she does not use the word 'exopolitics' once). It is also clear she believes in the paranormal so I do not think much credence should be given to her as an encyclopedia (factual) source. For these reasons I do not think the source should be included in this article (and I think there would be a good case for deleting the whole thing). Clavecin 12:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

• exopolitics is the study of the interaction between humand and extraterrestrials which is what the course was on; they do not need to specify the word expolitics in the article, the course was on the subject (:O) -Nima Baghaei ^{talk · cont · email} 16:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that you might have misunderstood the topic. Exopolitics is exactly "some paranormal/spiritual/UFO type belief" as you so elequantly put it. It's basically an iteration of "talking to little green men".

"I do not think much credence should be given to her as an encyclopedia (factual) source.", actually, in this case, she is a source to prove that the topic exists, not to prove the credibility of the topic in itself. This is perfectly in line with Wiki-regs and is done all the time in regard to the belief in conspiracies or urban myths where you need to prove that the myth is real (that it was not made up by an editor), not that it is an accurate reflection of events in the real world.

perfectblue 15:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it is significant she doesn't mention the word 'exopolitics'. It is clearly described on the page as the study of theoretical political contact with extraterrestrials, whereas (whatever her beliefs) she seems to look at the whole question of extraterrestrials as a 'spiritual' phenomenon: "I'm teaching about the possibility of life in another dimension, one that becomes apparent to us once we begin to live in that other dimension. It may be wired into our psyche, or it might be a spiritual phenomenon, or a psychological one." She's studying the existence of UFOs, not the politics of it (at best, the domestic politics of a supposed 'cover up'.)

On further reading, the 'exopolitics' article turns out to be a collection of references to people's belief in extraterrestrial life and so on, along with a couple of assertions that the word exists. There is nothing of substance explaining the usage, history of significance of the word or the supposed subject it describes. It's a pretty poor article and I would be surprised if it isn't deleted sooner or later. Clavecin 19:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

A source doesn't have to use the same terminology to cover the same topic. - perfectblue 06:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

They already talked about deleting this article but smarter heads prevailed and it wasn't. It'd be wrong to do that just because some clueless "scientific" types who I hope really aren't teaching it anywhere want to push their illogical beliefs on us.

[edit] Rewrite the first line

Someone rewrite the following sentence in a better way.

Exopolitics is the theoretical study of hypothetical political relations between humanity and extraterrestrial civilizations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Srinivasasha (talk • contribs) 08:02, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exopolitics in it's new & old perpose

Exopolitics is a modern term for an ancient trait, so I am exited about this very much. I really like Exopolitics and understand it, this is all about manifesting civilization in a way which is morally-correct.

Respect is one of the key issues.

Sincerely, Phalanx Pursos —Preceding comment was added at 00:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Huh? You do know that to date no extraterrestrial civilizations have been discovered that would require any kind of diplomacy, so how you understand it beyond the definition of the term, that is beyond my grasp. 208.82.225.232 (talk) 08:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but I've made several changes to the article that I'd like to discuss.

1. Most importantly, I clarified that this is a theoretical field of study, since nobody has ever actually conducted diplomatic negotiations with extraterrestrials (at least not that any reliable sources have shown).
2. Then, I removed the section on ancient exopolitics. There's nothing in this section that relates to exopolitics specifically, rather than UFOs in general. Moreover, there are no sources attached to this section, and I don't see what Hyades and Pleiades have to do with anything.
3. I also removed the Modern section - again, everything here relates to UFOs generally. Also, we can't cite a geocities site as evidence that we have made radio contact with alien civilizations.
4. Finally, I trimmed the external links to a reasonable level. // Chris ^{(complaints)•(contribs)} 19:34, 8 June 2008 (UTC)