Talk:Eurovision Song Contest winners
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Congratulations Finland! 62.65.192.23 22:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Re-write needed
This article needs to be completely re-written. Following my successful re-write of the main Eurovision article, these sub-articles need the same treatment. Does anyone else want to lend a hand, or is up to me? EuroSong talk 15:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] About Euro jokes and Winning artist and song famous around Europe? Not any more.
I am a Eurovision fan. I still follow at least the voting every year. And I don't agree with the bad easy jokes about Eurovision that have been running for many years. I particularly disagree when somebody labels songs are bad. What's bad or good in art? I rather believe and respect what many people like because it makes many people happy. Bad? Good? How do you measure that? You can however measure that 300 to 600 million people have been made happy by the show one night. That show must then be good if we want to define good with any degree of accuracy.
However this article assertion that "The winning song each year usually becomes popular across Europe and the rest of the World, and the winning artist, sometimes a previously unknown singer or band, become widely known and respected" is simply not true any more. It was actually only true in the late 60s and 70s.
Winning songs rarely reach international charts and their performers are soon forgotten though some gain some limited notoriety in the weeks before and after Eurovision due mainly to something unrelated to their performance (Remember Dana International and last year's hard rock masked Finnish group). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.12.179.173 (talk) 01:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
- If you sometimes only watch the voting, how can you:
- call yourself a Eurovision fan
- judge whether songs are good or bad - if sometimes you don't even watch the songs?
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- I agree that a true fan (like me!) should follow also the songs. But some recent winners, such as Helena Paparizou and Lordi have gained some international success-look how many wikipedias they are on, for example.--90.224.50.167 21:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Comment
Someone commented the "Map showing each country's number of Eurovision wins:" picture, which is not very "encycopedic" 212.200.100.108 20:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Move
Maybe this page should be moved to Eurovision Song Contest Statistics, it's not only about the winners any more.--90.224.50.167 09:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- I didn't quite follow. To which page do you suggest for it to be moved? --Biblbroks's talk 20:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- To Eurovision Song Contest Statistics, and maybe have the winners on a seperate page.--90.224.50.167 11:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Map
I've removed the map until it's fixed. Tzuppy 22:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- What exactly needs fixing? Chwech 18:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Seeing how Tzuppy seems partial to editing articles about Bosnia, and in light of the last edit of this article, my guess would be that the issue is the (certainly intentional) attribution of Riva's 1989 victory to Croatia, which did not exist as a country at the time. -- Jao 20:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- I had thought that alright, I just don't see how exactly that can be "fixed". Should I highlight all of the Fmr. Yugoslavia, or make a second map? If I'm being honest I think it's best (and I have no particular POV on this, I would rather there was an easier solution) if the map stays as is. I won't put it back in the article until Tzuppy has responded. Chwech 20:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Seeing how Tzuppy seems partial to editing articles about Bosnia, and in light of the last edit of this article, my guess would be that the issue is the (certainly intentional) attribution of Riva's 1989 victory to Croatia, which did not exist as a country at the time. -- Jao 20:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Table of Winners
This could probably go under a very general discussion of Wikipedia table formatting in general, though I am a bit inexperienced on the ways of Wikiland, so feel free to plunder my idea and share it in a larger, appropriate forum--if you agree with it, of course. :-D
I feel that tables that feature country columns would be far more useful if there were no flags beside those countries' names. That's because the flags make it impossible for the average person to copy the data, drop it into a spreadsheet, and then easily sort it. For example, say I want to know how many times Germany won Eurovision? Seems I should be able to drop that baby into Excel and sort it. I suppose I could use a cell count function to tabulate the number of Germany wins, but the ability to manipulate data easily is definitely impeded by the addition of country flags in those cells, which look more pretty than useful to me.
Also, if a country changes its flag (e.g., Romania in 1989 vs. Romania in 1990), would one display the flag flown during the relevant time addressed in the table, or the current flag? Knowing how wonderfully detail-oriented the Wiki community is, I imagine I am not the first to raise the point, but I put it out there again for consideration.
In conclusion: flags are pretty but not practical in tables. What say you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingpigeon (talk • contribs) 15:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
As a follow-up, a more easily sortable table would allow for the removal of other tables in the article that address some of these issues that basically duplicate the data but rearrange it. Cheers--kingpigeon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingpigeon (talk • contribs) 15:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- I see what you mean - this came up during the FLC. Back then I really didn't want to break up the spanned columns (such as 1969) because I felt it would give the appearance that there were four contests that year. If I did that, the table could be sorted by country (and also by margin of victory, which was one of the things people mentioned most at FLC). I might do it actually, it doesn't seem such a bad idea now. Not so sure about removing the table showing how many times each country has won; it would be easier to read from its own section rather than sorting the main table and counting. And your point about flags is very true (they're endemic in some Eurovision articles), but I don't think they would be a problem if the table was sortable (I think that's what you meant). Chwech 15:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Right, I've had a go with that. Better? Chwech 15:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Runners-Up
Most runner-up spot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.106.59 (talk) 08:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
It is irrelevant to state that UK has received the most runner-up spots. Why not further elaboration stating who has come 3rd the most, and 4th, and 5th etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.106.59 (talk) 08:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
