Talk:Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)

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Contents 1 Chorus/Song Ratio 2 False Links 3 Movies Referenced 4 Featured Article 5 Nomination 6 Lyric? 7 Influence 8 Audio samples box 9 Copyedit underway; have some questions

[edit] Chorus/Song Ratio

The fact that not all choruses are rapped doesn't give this album a chorus/song ratio under one. This needs to be recounted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MasahiroHayamoto (talk • contribs) 22:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] False Links

The links to the Rolling Stone Music Guide and the Entertainment Weekly article are wrong. (Vlad the Impaler 18:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC))

I fixed the RS link. The EW link would not work for me, but when I removed it I found the Christgau link re-appeared and I decided I could live with that for now. If anyone finds a way to get the EW link back in, that would be awesome. The link refuses to work in the footnote as well. Here is the link:

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/review/music/0,6115,308969_4|16405||0_0_,00.html

I hope someone can figure this out, the review is very positive and important to substantiating this article's claims. Venicemenace 22:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Movies Referenced

does anybody know which movies they sample? ReverendG 01:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The 36th Chamber of Shaolin and Shaolin and Wu Tang of course :)

Also Mystery of Chess Boxing, which features a character named Ghostface Killer. Robotsintrouble 01:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

TAKE THE SWORD! The sword?! Project2501a 22:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Article

We can make this a featured article if we had background information and more information on its conception.Noahdabomb3 20:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination

Is anybody willing to discuss my Featured Article declaration?Noahdabomb3 04:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey -- I'd like to help make this happen. I'm reviewing the objections or comments at the "featured article candidates" page, and I will be editing the article as best I can in coming days. After going over the existing article, it seems like all the raw material is here -- tons of information, pictures, quotations and citations. We just need to shape it a little bit and polish this diamond up. Evidence indicates that this article's stature is merciless, like a terrorist hard to capture. Venicemenace 15:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

There is so much good stuff in here, amazing work getting all this information. Venicemenace 22:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lyric?

One of the things I really like about the (FA-status) Illmatic article is the use of a lyrical excerpt. I'm wondering if that would be appropriate here as well, and if so, which verse should be used. Raekwon on "C.R.E.A.M."? One of GZA's verses? Masta Killa on "Chessboxin'"? Venicemenace 07:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Influence

"All Music Guide lists Nas' Illmatic, the Notorious B.I.G.'s Ready to Die, Mobb Deep's The Infamous and Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt among the records of this era that reflected the Wu-Tang Clan's influence."

AMG doesn't mention any album names in the review, only those artists, and says 36 Chambers "paved the way" for these albums rather than influenced. Should this sentence still be used? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laalaaa (talk • contribs) 12:59, December 31, (UTC)

If you ask me, the actual statement by AMG is stronger than the existing sentence. Paving the way for an artist's career is a much bigger deal than influencing one of his albums. I don't think the existing sentence is inaccurate, or even contradictory to the ideas expressed in the reference, but maybe the sentence could be rewritten closer to Steve Huey's specific language. Venicemenace 22:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Audio samples box

I think the audio samples box would be better used (and possibly better Fair Use) to demonstrate the ideas discussed in the "Music" section rather than "Singles". Anyone else agree?

[edit] Copyedit underway; have some questions

Hi, I'm a member of the League of Copyeditors and am currently working on copyediting this article. You did a great job, but I have a couple of questions/notes:

• In the Lyrical Content section: "While the content of lyrics on Enter the Wu-Tang generally varies from rapper to rapper, the basic themes are the same: urban life, martial arts movies, and marijuana, set in the harsh climate of New York City." This is an unclear sentence.

• First, is the meteorological climate of New York the issue, or is "environment" a better word?
• The setting of New York City appears to only apply to the marijuana in the current sentence. Would it be more accurate to say,

"While the lyrical content on Enter the Wu-Tang generally varies from rapper to rapper, the basic themes are the same: the harsh environment of New York City as a setting for urban life, martial arts movies, and marijuana use."

Or is this more accurate?

"While the lyrical content on Enter the Wu-Tang generally varies from rapper to rapper, the basic themes—all set in relation to the harsh environment of New York City—are the same: urban life, martial arts movies, and marijuana."

• In the "Significance: Production" section: "The production on two Mobb Deep albums, The Infamous[32] and Hell on Earth,[33] are 'indebted' to RZA's early production with Wu-Tang Clan."

You need a source for the quote, "indebted".

Let me know when you insert that source, and which of the two meanings (or another one I didn't think of) applies to the the "themes" question. Once we get those added, I will call this copyedit complete. Thanks! Galena11 23:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

• I've made the changes and will ask another League member to proofread. The copyedit is complete and I've added the LoCE tag. Thanks! Galena11 16:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I like the idea of breaking up that sentence or the phrase "set in relation to", which seems kind of ambiguous. How about this:

"While the lyrical content on Enter the Wu-Tang generally varies from rapper to rapper, the basic themes are the same - urban life, martial arts movies, and marijuana - and the setting is invariably the harsh environment of New York City."

IMHO that's a subtle change but a big improvement. Venicemenace 16:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Works for me! When you add it, I advise using em dashes (—) with no spaces, rather than the hyphens and spaces in the version above.Galena11 16:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Will do. Venicemenace 12:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)