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Contents 1 Arbitrary section header 2 re: cults 3 NOT witches 4 Tone of the redevelopment section 5 Scientology 6 Copyvio notes

[edit] Arbitrary section header

Shouldn't you put somthing about the murder of Richard Watson on here? (Anyone know where He lived?)

isn't this the place that has a huge number of cults based around it? -- Tarquin 16:57 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] re: cults

I live near east grinstead, but i dont really know the facts - but yes, there are a lot of cults and religious groups in and around east grinstead. Supposedly loads of ley lines cross in east grinstead. The situation even nessessitated a documentary called 'why east grinstead?'. Like I said, I dont know enough or clearly and factually enough to contribute this stuff, it would be great if someone more knowledgable on this matter could though. (Ernestspires)

Scientology in East Grinstead-- There is a strong history of scientology in East Grinstead as it's where the founder L. Ron Hubbard resided and scientology really took off. See the scientology.org webpage for more information. I'm surprised the wikipedia article on scientology doesnt mention East Grinstead, as it seems to be the home of scientology. Scientology is probably too mainstream to be described as a cult, although it is described as one and it very much seems like one. (Bill) 2 Sept 2005

Edited based on [1] Zeimusu | Talk page 08:08, 2005 September 5 (UTC)

Scientology practically runs East Grinstead and it's very worrying as they ARE a cult. The town council has strong links with the cult which is a terrifying prospect.

East Grinstead is no longer the home of Scientology and has not been since the 1970s I believe. I would not refer the Scientology as a cult but as a young religion. The Scientologists in the East Grinstead community are a great lot. They never cause trouble and only add to the culture of the area.

I wouldnt agree with EITHER of the above statements. I lived in East Grinstead from 1966 to 1990 and my parents have lived there for 40 years. Scientology does not run East Grinstead. Where are your facts?

The town does have links with the cult or whatever you want to call it, but in my experience thats because lots of people who come to East Grinstead to be taught/indroctrinated/ (whatever your feeling) like the town and end up staying because of that and not neccesarily Scientology. Scientology does have a lot of money (or other peoples money!) and have attempted in the past to "give it away" to the town or various organisations. Sometimes its been accepted at face value, other times its been refused sinply because of its connection.

As for the Scientology community being a "great lot" Do you mean the ones actually "doing their thing" at Saint Hill Manor, the people living in EG who have given up Scientology or what?

It would be balanced to say there are many people who have lived in EG for a long time who are deeply suspicous of the whole organisation (a mildly insulting slang word used locally is "Scieno") People dont have to cause trouble to be unwanted or a nusance!

The book shop selling L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics stuff and his other Sci Fi was the only shop in that part of town in the late 80s that required roller shutters at night. If the Scientologists moved out tomorrow i cannot see how there would be any major impact on the town, apart from the obvious lack of funding to those clubs etc that are financed in town.

[edit] NOT witches

And another thing..... Whoever wrote this whole article hasnt done their research very well. The 3 graves memorials in St Swithuns arent for witches but 3 Protestant martrys who were burnt at the stake in the High Street. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Waspexile (talk • contribs) 14:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Tone of the redevelopment section

I've tagged the Redevelopment section with the tone banner because I think there's a few issues that need to be worked out. I don't know much about the specifics of the redevelopment, I'm more concerned about how it is presented in this article. Terms like "badly designed" and "more attractive" aren't very encyclopaedic and seem a bit POV unless attributed to a source, and the sources that are used are quite vague. I'm going to assume good faith and trust that all the information is accurate, it just needs to be rewritten a touch. There are a few sources on Google news about this topic from the E.G. Courier so a good well sourced section should be possible. (I haven't read the items in their entirety as they're pay per view and at £3 that's £2.60 more than the paper itself.) ●Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scientology

Why is this included in the Religious Institutions? I'm not here to debate Scientology, but bearing in mind it is legally not regarded a religion by the UK government, it should not be grouped with actual religions. Feel free to have its own section in the article, just not there. As a resisdent of East Grinstead I do not like this appearing at all on our page, a black mark on East Grinstead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.145.155 (talk) 19:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Religions are what people believe in, however wacky, not what the authorities approve of. What is a religion and what is a cult is largely a personal point of view. Many people would consider some of the other organisations on the list just as strange. Wikipedia deals in fact, not popularity or prejudice, and Scientology is clearly part of the town, like it or not.--Charles (talk) 19:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio notes

I very much doubt that the section in the article has been copied from the website. It's more likely the other way around and the website copied the material from Wikipedia. The wikipedia article contained the text before the date on the website. The webpage says that the content was posted on the 5th of June, 2007, this is the page on the 2nd of June, 2007. Looking back at the history of the section, it appears to have grown naturally over time, not a large chunk being added in one go. [2]. Bill ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:37, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, looks like wikipedia was the source for http://www.east-grinstead.co.uk/general/religion/ Removed copyvio tagJeepday (talk) 00:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)