Talk:E. J. Gold
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Cite all sources. As mentioned on the first banner on this page, material that is unsourced or poorly sourced should not be used, and will be removed. Firsthand accounts welcome, and should be documented as such.
Vidadf 22:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC):
Wiki user, why did you erase the entire bio a few days ago? Hardly the act of a neutral contributor. I suggest that you log in and add your own sourced material instead of anonymously removing other people's without any explanation. Your edits will then have a much better chance of staying. Please keep in mind that this version of bio started from material collected directly from Gold. Currently I have no idea what your sources are.
Wiki User:
Edits were consistant with the following guidelines: no citations, material unsourced or poorly sourced, NPOV, OR, COI, and style of writing.
From Vidad F:
An anonymous editor in Irvine, CA area has been deleting sections of the biography. Today they deleted the entire biography. Please keep an eye on this. Thanks.
From Her-Bak:
I've restored an older version, presumably with verifiable facts, and with minor edits for NPOV. Please try and keep the tone of the article neutral, and make changes with this in mind.
From LolaFroggy:
Please consider information appearing at http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=5390. Gold is a casebook destructive guru who continues to harm earnest spiritual seekers lured into his web via his followers, self-published books and several "sheep-fleecing" internet businesses. For more information on the characteristics of destructive groups and their leaders, check out www.rickross.com. Also visit http://darwiniana.com/2006/10/05/is-ej-gold-a-suif-hyeana/, and see the gold related links on that site.
From Vidad F:
LolaFroggy, this is a discussion page for editing the biography. It is not an opinion blog. The posts you have linked to raise as many questions about the authors as they do about Gold. You are entitled to your opinion, but Wikipedia is not your personal soapbox. You are welcome to contribute to the biography and encouraged to follow the Wikipedia guidelines for adding content.
Wiki user in response to statements by Rick Ross/LolaFroggy:
LolaFroggy misunderstands the nature of "crazy wisdom" teaching, which directly challenges the ego or "separate self", the mixture of beliefs, misconceptions and conditioning that we perceive the world through. This process is never pleasant, but the rewards are beyond imagination.
When user LolaFroggy asserts that Gold is a "destructive" guru, she may well be right. All growth in any sphere of life occurs by "destruction", in the sense that what comes after, is not the same as what was before.Change and destruction are two sides of the same coin.Ego death is an inherently painful process, that can be made even more painful, by the holding on to limited and limiting self-concepts.This holding,limiting,contracting process itself, is the mechanism of ego.
Gurus who are not "destructive" in the above sense,are not gurus.Any guru worth his salt, will challenge the student's cherished beliefs about him/herself, god and the world around him/her.
This however, should not be taken as blanket justification, or advice to suspend simple common sense. He who tastes, knows.
wiki user:
crazy wisdom is... well... crazy. It's like this guy i know who was addicted to therapy sessions. How the hell was he ever gonna find a cure? But he kept walking around asking people how the "do not walk on the grass" signs got there in the first place. Soon, just like Forrest Gump, he had folks following him around looking for bits of wisdom that would fall off his table. To attempt a logical analysis of crazy wisdom is like asking why kamikaze pilots in the Pacific in 1945 were made to wear helmets.
