Talk:Dundarave House

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[edit] Notability

I fail to see what is of particular notable about this property.--Vintagekits 20:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It is the seat of Clan Macnaghten and an important house architecturally (Charles Lanyon) and I have been told by its current occupant that it is the largest house in Northern Ireland in private occupation. --Counter-revolutionary 20:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC) Plus numerous refs; [1]. Unfortunately I don't have access to various architectural books at the moment or else I could quote from them also. Anything by Charles Brett will mention it. --Counter-revolutionary 20:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

You left out the "House" in the google search. I still fail to its notability and there is a serious sourcing issue.--Vintagekits 11:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

As I say, if you should like to look at any book dealing with architecture in Ireland (such as something by Charles Brett it would be apparent. I cannot do this for some time. --Counter-revolutionary 12:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Its not for me to provide references or prove notability, the onus is on those that wish to keep the material/article.--Vintagekits 12:34, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm pleased to see you have the right motives about improving an encyclopedia. --Counter-revolutionary 12:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Best interests of wiki at heart - try it!--Vintagekits 12:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

If you did you would help to improve this article, rather than willing its deletion. --Counter-revolutionary 12:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

End of conversation then - 1 week to improve and I will reassess then.--Vintagekits 12:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

• I'd prefer it if another user did that thank you. --Counter-revolutionary 14:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability II

The 17th and last chief of the MacNaughtons was John of Dundarave who fell out with Campbell of Ardkinglas whose daughter he was to marry. MacNaughton thought he was to marry the younger daughter with whom he was in love, however after taking too much refreshment prior to the ceremony he discovered he'd been wed to the eldest daughter. On realising his predicament he promtly deserted his wife and eloped to Ireland with his love, the second daughter. Ardkinglas gained possession of the MacNaughton estates on the grounds of incest and the chiefship became vacant. In 1818, the Lord Lyon King of Arms accepted Edmund A MacNaghton of Bushmills Co. Antrim as chief of the clan and its his descendant Sir Patrick Macnaghton of that Ilk and Dundarave Co. Antrim who is the present-day chief. [2]-Electric Scotland website, generally reliable. The MacNaghten/MacNaughtons were a client of Clan Campbell. Dundarave (Scottish Gaelic: Dún tarbh - Fort of the Bull) is not far from Inveraray, caput of Clan Campbell. Dundarave House is at Bushmills, belonging to a MacNaghten, the chief no less. In Scottish WP, a man that is leader of his house, notwithstanding other lesser individuals in his tribe as well, always gets an article. As the caput of a Noble Scots family, even if it ain't in Scotland, Dundarave House should be recorded as such. Interesting to note that Campbell in Gaelic is Cam Beul - Twisted mouth, that works at either a personal or national level! Brendandh 23:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)