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Contents 1 Among the betrayed climax 2 The Web Colony 3 Lee Edward Kirkby 4 EtQ, Inc. 4.1 Company Mission 4.2 Corporate Headquarters 5 Hoping someone still monitors this area

[edit] Among the betrayed climax

When nina finds out everything was a trap —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.219.199.197 (talk) 00:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. There is an article on Among the Betrayed. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Web Colony

The Web Colony is a legendary city located on planet Irantis. One the most interesting inhabitants is trillionair Jack Hunter. One of the 3 money units are Zenes. 5 local species out of 2,963 species are Talns, Mandeleks, Nlorgas(say lorga), Iaatins, and Talnocanarucues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown367 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Unknown367, and welcome to Wikipedia. You might want to check out Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) to get some ideas for how to proceed with that, if it is a published piece of fiction. Basically, you'll need to provide reliable sources to demonstrate that there is encyclopedic significance there. Alternatively, if it's your own invention, please note that Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 02:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lee Edward Kirkby

Lee Edward Kirkby, born in 1987 grew up in a non Christian family. After joining Beverley Grammar School from 1998-2005 he became a Chorister at Beverley Minster.

In 2000, Lee became England's youngest Verger and was enrolled in the Church of England's Guild of Vergers.Confirmed into the Church of England in 2001. In 2002 during the year of the Queens Golden Jubilee, he led a procession with HM the Queen and HRH the Duke of Edinburgh in attendence.

In 2006, Lee became a full time student on the BA Honours Degree course with the Centre for Youth Ministry, studying at St Johns theological college, Nottingham. Working as a Youth Minister at Beverley Minster Lee has had many successes. The Youth Cafe which seeks to provide the young people of Beverley with a safe & entertaining event has become a regional and nationally renouned event. 250+ young people attend on a regular basis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirkbylee (talk • contribs) 13:08, 27 May 2008

Hi, and Welcome to Wikipedia! :) In order to create an article about that person, you'll need to be able to assert notability per Wikipedia's notability guidelines on biographies, which will mean utilizing reliable secondary sources, like newspaper articles. I don't see anything in that text that I would regard as a clear assertion of "notability" in Wikipedia's sense, although I'm not sure how remarkable it is to be the youngest Verger. Again, reliable sources would demonstrate if the subject meets guidelines.

An article of this sort would be covered by Wikipedia's guidelines on "biographies of living persons", which in part urges editors to be extremely careful not to include any information that isn't sourced, even if it's true, and also reminds us that biographies particularly must be written from a neutral point of view.

If you are able to assemble necessary sources and if your subject meets the notability requirements, you may choose to create the article yourself, although if you are closely associated with the subject (as your username suggests), our conflict of interest guideline and autobiography guideline strongly recommend that you instead consider proposing its creation at requested articles or at a related article or relevant WikiProject.

If you choose to create it yourself, once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Help:Starting a new page should give you all the guidance you need, but you might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] EtQ, Inc.

I would like some input on an article I'm creating. The first time I tried to contribute, my page was marked 'blatant advertising' and deleted; this time I want to do it right. I would appreciate your feedback!

EtQ, Inc.
Type
Founded	1992
Headquarters	Farmingdale, New York USA
Industry	Quality Management FDA Compliance Environmental, Health & Safety
Website	www.etq.com

EtQ, Inc. is an international provider of Enterprise Quality and FDA Compliance Management software. Its continuous objective is to automate the various business processes and workflows associated with Quality and ISO standards. EtQ has one of the largest customer bases in the Quality Management, FDA Compliance, and Environmental Health & Safety Software industry, covering a wide variety of industry-types.

EtQ is a privately held company with over 400 customers, with 1000 customer sites and 750,000 users through out the world, from the smallest start-up firms to the top Fortune 500 companies.

The technology behind EtQ’s software is EtQ’s “Flexible Workflow,” a concept for software that was robust enough to handle workflows and business rules associated with Quality Assurance, with the flexibility to be changed as needed, without programming. The technological development dramatically simplified how organizations automated their business applications.

EtQ is an acronym for Excellence through Quality

[edit] Company Mission

EtQ is the leading Enterprise Quality and FDA Compliance Management Software for identifying, mitigating and preventing high-risk events through integration, automation and collaboration.

EtQ uses best in class integrated modules and enterprise application integration to manage and measure quality and compliance processes and execute organizational change.

[edit] Corporate Headquarters

EtQ’s corporate headquarter is in Farmingdale, NY. North American technical support and development is in Tucson, AZ. EtQ development and international technical support is in Amman, Jordan. North American Sales offices include EtQ NY and EtQ Midwest Sales in Detroit, Michigan. Smhaft (talk) 18:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Smhaft, and welcome to Wikipedia. :) Thanks for seeking out feedback on this.

While your article was tagged for deletion for promotional concerns, it was actually deleted under a different criterion, as a copyright violation. The deleting administrator is supposed to have ensured that you were notified of copyright policies, but evidently overlooked this step. Sorry about that! Evidently the text duplicated this. Just to sort of belatedly let you know, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from web sites or printed material without the express permission of the author or copyright holder. When it comes to corporate profiles, they are also generally problematic for promotional concerns, since they typically are written with some degree of "pro-company" slant. Wikipedia's articles must be written from a neutral point of view.

That out of the way, the above does not seem promotional to me to the point that it might be speedily deleted, but there are a few issues I see that could be problematic. First of all, this particular article would be governed by the notability guidelines on companies. The rule of thumb here is noting whether the company has received significant or widespread coverage in secondary sources that are reliable and independent of the company (excluding company PR releases and information solely available on the company website—these sources may be used for additional information after notability has been established by secondary sources). All material must be attributable. The only source I currently see in the article is a primary source, the company website. The article says "EtQ is the leading"--who says? We need an impersonal, unrelated source.

The other issue is a concern about the tone. In addition to unattributed assertions like "is the leading" and "dramatically simplified", we have "Its continuous objective is to automate the various business processes and workflows associated with Quality and ISO standards". As an impersonal source, we are not supposed to be commenting on a company's objective, but only reporting on verifiable fact. We could say, "The company's stated objective is...." We cannot even indirectly write as though we have inside knowledge of such things. After you find sources, you may not longer have this concern. If the article is re-written to reflect what unconnected sources are saying about the company, then these tone issues will probably disappear,

If you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends that you do not create or edit the article yourself, but instead consider proposing its creation at requested articles or at a related article or relevant WikiProject.

Do please let me know here if you need additional feedback on any of this. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hoping someone still monitors this area

Hi, I am on the fence about creating articles for all members of the National Prison Rape Elimination Commission. Is being on the commission notable enough for Wikipedia? So far, I have only created articles for individuals that I thought satisfied notability requirements without being on the commission (and two already had them). Thoughts? --Aujourd'hui, maman est morte (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. :) I would think the question is whether or not these individuals have enough widespread independent reliable sourcing to verify notability outside of their involvement in that larger subject. Taking only one from the list, I see 11 news hits in the archive for Gus Puryear here. Based only on what I see there, I would personally doubt that he has sufficient notability to stand alone. (I didn't go trawling through google,though; there could be tons more that I don't know of.) If you determine they don't meet the guidelines, though, there's nothing wrong with expanding the members section at the parent article with a bit of sourced biographical information. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I see, thanks, I guess I'll just go case by case. I am surprised that Puryear wouldn't be considered notable, he's been nominated for a federal judgeship by the president, and has been quite controversial as such. --Aujourd'hui, maman est morte (talk) 04:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say he wasn't, mind. I said based on what I saw there, I would personally doubt he'd meet notability guidelines for his own article. In the news archives I linked, there were 11 hits on the name. When I tried to follow the links, most of them came up 404, File Not Found. Others were subscription based or "free at your local library" sites. The only one that I could get into was this one, and it only has one sentence about him: "Gus Puryear of Tennessee was grilled for his role as executive vice president of Corrections Corporation of America, a private prison management firm." As I said, though, there could be tons more on a general google search that I don't know of. :) If you have access to sources to verify that he's notable, then go for it. It all comes down to that. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 10:56, 9 June 2008 (UTC)