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Contents 1 Pansy Parkinson 2 Trivia 3 Draco Malfoy can(not) see Thestrals 4 Half-Blood Prince 5 "Unusual names" 6 Reformation? 7 Regarding the Image 8 "taken many a flower" 9 Tom Felton 10 Harry Potter fandom 11 "New" Name Pattern 12 Inaccuracy in the Chamber of Secrets sections 13 Is he a Death Eater or isn't he? 14 Name Etymology 15 Lead 16 Citations 17 Draco and the Malfoys 18 Hyperion 19 Family: Draco's distant relation to he Weasleys 20 Slaps to punches.

[edit] Pansy Parkinson

As it says in the article: "Although we do not know who he married, we can only guess it was Pansy Parkinson." This is pure speculation, and I think this sentence should be removed. MoChan 02:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it was, Jo's stated that he's married to her. I realize this IS old, but... BlackPearl14^{Hermione Granger's Muggle Alias} 02:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Do we really need the trivia section? It doesn't really seem to shed very much light on Draco as a character, or the series as a whole, and it's not even very interesting. Hermione1980 17:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes please. Just nuke the whole section entirely. --Deathphoenix ʕ 17:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Kaboooom, nuke away. Death Eater Dan (Muahaha) 17:41, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Poof. (Finally.) Hermione1980 00:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

as Tangina Barrons (Zelda Rubinstein) said, while "addressing the living" in Poltergeist ... "This House is Cleansed" --T-dot 01:22, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Draco Malfoy can(not) see Thestrals

A completely new theory I read completely took me by surprise. I'm having trouble absorbing it. [User:65.191.82.234] added this comment in to the end of the literary analysis:

By the time he's 17, Draco Malfoy can see Thestrals (actually, this isn't certain. It's certain that he's seen someone die, but he has not necessarily realized that they are dead, never coming back, etc).

JKR during an interview with Stephen Fry...

Email: “Harry saw his parents die so why hasn’t he been able to see the Thestrals before?”

JK Rowling: I knew I was going to get that one…that is an excellent question. And here is the truth. At the end of Goblet of Fire we sent Harry home more depressed than he had ever been leaving Howarts. I knew that Thestrals were coming, and I can prove that because they’re in the book I’d produced for Comic Relief (UK) “Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them”. These are lucky Black Winged Horses. However, if Harry had seen them and it had not been explained then it would cheat the reader. So, to explain that to myself, I decided you had to have seen the death and allowed it to sink in a bit… slowly…these creatures became solid in front of you. So that’s how I’m going to sneak past that one.

Is that right? Is it truly not certain that Malfoy can see thestrals? Your 2 cents please. Dragix 01:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

add archive I think that it would be safe to say that he can. He would realize that Dumbledore is dead and not coming back, and that given his "part" in it i think it would sink in pretty fast. It will be interesting to see if JK will have Draco realize he can see them or anything like that.Wilson84 03:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC

I'd just like to remind everyone that article talk pages are not the place to discuss these matters. Article talk pages should only be used to discuss the content of articles, and since speculations have no place in articles, this discussion needs to be taken elsewhere, like one of the many fan forums. Thanks Exploding Boy 03:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

And I'd like to remind you that at the time it was there to discuss the content of the article. Dragix 23:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

If you ask me, I think he'll see them, of course, but I don't know if it'll be this soon. Malfoy's capable of kind of keeping things from himself, trying not to deal with it, I think.

[edit] Half-Blood Prince

This section is pretty rough, and could use some clean-up. I haven't read this book myself, and am confused by some of the pronouns, otherwise, I would do it myself. Cgirten 05:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Unusual names"

Someone keeps putting up a mini-essay on whether Draco's name is "unusual" or "exotic" by Muggle standards. Apart from the fact that this is completely subjective (how does one determine how "unusual" or "exotic" a name is?) the article claims that some names, such as Luna and Hermione, are unusual, when they aren't even uncommon. Serendipodous 18:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the fact that Snape made the Unforgivable Vow to protect Draco is important, and I don't know why someone keeps removing the edits I made stating that Snape felt the effects of the Unforgivable Vow when Harry used the "Sectumsempra" spell on Draco. I mean, how else would Snape find Harry and Draco so quickly, if the Vow hadn't somehow alerted him that Draco was in danger? Amalik914 (talk) 01:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reformation?

Little has been said about the ultimate fate of the Malfoys. It seems Narcissa had the living daylights scared out of her by the start of "The Half-Blood Prince" and Lucius and Draco finally had them scared out of them in "The Deathly Hallows". All three of them ultimately picked love over power (witness Narcissa and Lucius caring about Draco over Voldemort triumphant in Deathly Hallows) and Draco lost a friend (Crabbe) and had to be saved from a death eater (and probably learned he was an acceptable sacrifice to Voldemort) during the Second Battle of Hogwarts. He'll probably always be a pure-blood snob, but he probably knows better than to mess with the dark arts now - that stuff really is dangerous.

[edit] Regarding the Image

Why not use Tom Felton's character image of Draco instead of a sketch? Afterall, it is the most likely image that people associate him with, whats with the popularity of the films and all. 74.96.186.207 00:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I noticed it had been changed. I like it, to be honest - as Rowling says, Draco is not Tom Felton. Vashti 02:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

But, guys, why do we have REAL pictures on Harry Potter? I think it's quite unfair. NazaliaSan 16:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I notice new pics on all the other harry potter charectors, why cant we do the Same for draco?Nimrauko 04:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "taken many a flower"

The last sentence referring to his relationship status (under Background) seems to be more an opinion and also refers more to fandom than canon. I suggest this is changed or cited. 24.47.148.252 03:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Felton

I think Tom Felton is confirmed now as havingbeen contracted for films six and seven. 80.193.39.197 22:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Harry Potter fandom

This article, needs more sources, especially the Harry Potter fandom section which is unsourced NPOV (Draco Malfoy has developed a large following among many Harry Potter fans. Actor Tom Felton escalated the character's claim to fame among fans by giving them a visual portrayal of Harry's nemesis. and Most people familiar with the fandom dismiss this notion, however, because he was already a very popular character before Tom Felton was even cast.). Mrmoocow 20:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "New" Name Pattern

I'm deleting it, since it makes absolutely no sense. It's a Black Family Pattern name children after stars, there's nothing new about it. Diana Prallon 20:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccuracy in the Chamber of Secrets sections

Malfoy then retorts with a snide jibe which reduces Hermione to tears.

Not true. It was portrayed that way in the film, but in the book Hermione simply shrugs the insult off:

“He did,” she said. “But I don’t know what it means. I could tell it was really rude, of course”

[edit] Is he a Death Eater or isn't he?

I see he's in Category:Death Eaters, but is it ever decisively shown (either in the books or by JKR) that he officially joined? Harry believed Draco had the brand on his left arm in book 6, but as far as I can remember it's never proved either in book 6 or in book 7. —Angr 20:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name Etymology

Surely this entire section counts as OR? Not a single source is cited for any of it. I think we should remove it. asyndeton 09:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Usually these name etymology sections are the cruftiest things you'll ever come across. This one, however, actually is rooted in fact. Unfortunately, the only links I've managed to find are the HP Lexicon, which most do not consider usable (with good reason, mind you). Does anyone know where we might find something a little more acceptable? It would be a shame to delete this stuff when we know it came from JKR just because the source isn't good enough. PS I don't know anything about where 'Draco' comes from, this could be cruft. faithless (^speak) 21:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lead

Lead does not follow WP guideline: see Lead.

The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, summarizing the most important points, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describing its notable controversies, if there are any. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic according to reliable, published sources. The lead should not "tease" the reader by hinting at but not explaining important facts that will appear later in the article. It should contain up to four paragraphs, should be carefully sourced as appropriate, and should be written in a clear, accessible style so as to invite a reading of the full article.

Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 18:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

References/in-line citations need to be worked on. I've change all the ones not useing the reference tags. But they still need to be labelled. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 19:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Draco and the Malfoys

If Harry features a Popular Culture section that includes Harry and the Potters, should we include a similar section into this article talking about the wizarding rock band Draco and the Malfoys? I think this is really important, that is what makes an article Notable. Lord Opeth (talk) 05:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

By all means. Actually, I'm pretty surprised that there isn't at least a link to Draco and the Malfoys. faithless (^speak) 05:07, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hyperion

The article says that Scorpius's middle name is Hyperion, but in the book the boy is only called "Scorpius". Citation needed (someone added that Hyperion in it.wiki as well... citation needed there too!). --KingFanel (talk) 08:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

In the recent ITV documentary of JKR, Rowling drew a family tree which revealed several heretofore unknown names, spouses, etc. Here is a photo of the tree. Unfortunately the link that I used to watch the documentary appears to have been taken down, but I'm sure you can find it if you look hard enough. :) faithless (^speak) 13:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Agree we need a source, but it is not easy. I believe it was revealed in or as part of a rather lengthy Rowling Q&A/interview/reveal late last year, so if we are going to document Hyperion then we have to depend on secondary sources to provide the quote or make direct or indirect references to the quote. Some sources might include: HP Lexicon, and Accio-Quote (search for Scorpius on the page); and I am sure the other "usual suspects" (Mugglenet et al) also have the information posted. A Google or Yahoo search for the string should come up with more sources as well. I think in the absence of a statement at Rowling's web site, or at a news or reliable media outlet, the sites that lean to providing quality encyclopedic HP information might do in a pinch, assuming they describe the source of their information (eg: interview host, date, location, etc.). We should not however use any fan forum posts at these sites (eg: "Yeah I heard she said it is Scorpius Hyperion Malfoy"), as these guest-posts are not inherently reliable, even if they happen to be correct. If the "usual suspect" HP sites (which Rowling has acknowledged on her web site) are deemed to be insufficiently reliable or notable (and this has been argued at length for years, with the outcome intractably uncertain), then we probably will have to concede that Hyperion is non-notable and non-essential *cruft*, even knowing it is true, until Rowling or reliable secondary sources make it notable. --T-dot ( ^Talk/contribs ) 14:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I see a source has been found. Thank you very much, I'll transfer it to it.wiki too. About the "notability" matter... I don't know! --KingFanel (talk) 08:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Family: Draco's distant relation to he Weasleys

You could add as an interesting detail that though not mentioned in the books, Draco's distantly blood related to the Weasley's through his mother, Narcissa, because her great grandfather, Cygnus Black (after whom her father also Cyngus Black was probably named after), was the brother of Arcturus Black, who was Arthur Weasley's grandfather (Arthur's mother, Cedrella Black, was disowned for marrying a Weasley, Arthur's father). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.138.228.85 (talk) 00:25, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The books state that all the families are inter-related. faithless (^speak) 00:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slaps to punches.

I was reading over Draco Malfoy and I saw on the first part that it said the Hermione slapped Draco. If I remember correctly, She socked him right in that face. So I changed slaps to punches. 70.90.174.173 (talk) 01:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

She slapped him, page 293 of the American edition. faithless (^speak) 02:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Acutually in the movie she slugged right in the face. 70.90.174.173 (talk) 03:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

She did punch him in the movie, but I think the book would override, as the movie is just an adaptation. Useight (talk) 04:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)