Talk:Dmitri Shostakovich

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Contents 1 Ballet 2 Merge discussion of Tchaikovsky's personal life 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Shostakovich's Prelude XXI Bb Major (Allegro) - (Part of opus 87).ogg 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Shostakovichtimecover.jpg 5 The cyrillic name 6 Moving the quotes to Wikiquote? 7 Tweaks to intro

[edit] Ballet

Went and saw the West Australian Ballet last night (29/09/2007) doing a performance of Alice - which in the first act was Alice in Wonderland and the second act was Through the Looking Glass. The score was Shostakovich's The Limpid Stream, and was so incredibly well used. Grover 02:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge discussion of Tchaikovsky's personal life

I strongly feel the persons "personal life" belongs to this very article. That is the very point of bio articles. -- Cat ^chi? 15:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

This makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Why on eath would we want to merge Tchaikovsky's personal life into the Shostakovich article? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 16:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

My mistake. Please disregard. I clicked the wrong page. -- Cat ^chi? 16:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Shostakovich's Prelude XXI Bb Major (Allegro) - (Part of opus 87).ogg

Image:Shostakovich's Prelude XXI Bb Major (Allegro) - (Part of opus 87).ogg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Shostakovichtimecover.jpg

Image:Shostakovichtimecover.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The cyrillic name

The article lists his name Дми́трий Дми́триевич Шостако́вич. I did not know cyrillic used acute accents, nor needed unicode combining diacritical marks. Is this wrong?

I tracked the change down to ru:. It propagated 4 days later to en: (by the same IP, no less), and currently I can find the form in a whole lot of the other-language projects. fr: is still using Дмитрий Дмитриевич Шостакович. --MinorContributor (talk) 21:22, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks like it is used for indicating stress, but is it really appropriate here? --MinorContributor (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Matter of opinion, I'd say. The Cyrillic alphabet as used in the Russian language does not contain any accents. Й is a separate letter from И, not just an accented version of it. And there's endless debate about whether Ё is a formal letter at all, as distinct from Е. The umlauted version is used to ensure the letter is pronounced -yo rather than -ye, but traditionalists would argue that people should just know when to say -yo and when to say -ye; just as, before the orthography was revised, people were supposed to know not to confuse the spelling of "миръ" (peace) with "мiръ" (world) - the pronunciations are identical (see War and Peace#Title). All that aside, accents are regularly used in pedagogical texts, mainly for the benefit of learners of the language, because the stress in Russian is notoriously unpredictable. Which is why they appear in encyclopedias and the like. But I've never heard anyone have trouble in pronouncing Shost's names, so it's debatable whether there's any use for the accents in this case. -- JackofOz (talk) 21:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Is there a wikipedia policy on this? WP:RUS doesn't touch the subject of marking stress. I'd think stress markings belong to an IPA version of the name. I can imagine a bunch of people (I'm one) not knowing Russian copying the name (with stress markings) for their report or something... --MinorContributor (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed them, because they are likely to cause rendering errors in browsers. Whoever is learning Russian and wants to know the stress can look it up from ru:. (I noticed that someone uploaded an image with the stress markings copied into the file name. This reinforces my point.) --MinorContributor (talk) 12:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, I support this change. Usually you see his name in Cyrillic without the indicated stresses. Eusebeus (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Moving the quotes to Wikiquote?

Shouldn´t the Quotations-part be moved to Wikiquote? Jopparn (talk) 13:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I've deleted this section, replanting all on Wikiquote. Quotes lists are not considered encyclopedic in Wikipedia. That said, Shostakovich has some great quotes and one or two may be worth including in this article, as long as they are used in context to illustrate a point.

None of those quotes were sourced. If someone knows where they come from, Wikiquote could use help in sourcing them. / edg ☺ ☭ 15:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tweaks to intro

I've rearranged a couple of paragraphs in the intro, and broken one paragraph into two, to help the flow and keep related ideas together. Also, I put the information about his music ahead of the controversy about his relationship with the Soviet system. I reckon the first question newcomers will have is "What kind of music did he write?" so the intro should cover that first. What does everyone else think? Perodicticus (talk) 11:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Shouldn't there be a couple of footnotes on where the info on his compositional style and orchestration came from? Jonyungk (talk) 22:17, 26 April 2008 (UTC)