Talk:David Rutstein

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This article was nominated for deletion on 22 October 2007. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

This is a big story, and this guy, David, is really driving the country a bit mad, check out the recent article in israel national news which is linked at the bottom.. it states that 46 percent of the religous jewish public does not believe the official version of the murder in a phone poll... I really don't believe that people actually will tell the tgruth in a phone poll.. that number must be much higher...... The article has links to all of Rutstein's sites. He has appeared on TV quite a bit recently.. and this guy should be a celebrity soon. Conspiracy Nutjob 19:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello there. Can you provide any evidence that he meets the WP:BIO notability criteria, including the need for multiple reliable sources? --Nehwyn 19:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

There were multiple links to news articles that were written mentioning David Rutstein. The most recent one in english that states that 28% of public does not believe official version exclusively quotes Rutstein.. and links to his sites exclusively.

As well, the videos being exposed were the impetus of the public opinion changing.. There have been numerous stuff in hebrew language.. the english article is just tip of iceberg.. this should be real famous soon in english language

Here is the web site on web design .. here is the blog..http://www.webdesignoffice.us/blog/

Israel National News .com (Arutz 7) is the 3rd or 4th biggest English news site in Israel... IsrealInsider is pretty big as well ( but not as big)... NRG/Maariv is the second biggest newspaper in hebrew.. The article is about Rutstein. Conspiracy Nutjob 19:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

here is the first time that Rutstein appeared on english news .. on ynet.com .. israel's largest media outlet.. this is their english web site.. the guy cohen speaking is actually rutstein.. This came out in 2005.. if you analyze the talkbacks in 2005 versus the talkbacks now.. you can see a dramatic difference. http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3089701,00.htmlConspiracy Nutjob 20:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Now I understand.. the link to Rutstein's english site .. was a mis link.... this is the real link that explains Rutstein's significance...http://www.shimonperes.net/davidrutstein.htm

I believe that the page is good and significant.. tell me if I am wrong....Conspiracy Nutjob 20:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Here is jerusalem post interview.. JPOST is israel's biggest english media source http://www.shimonperes.net/davidpage/davidpagefiles/David_jerpost.htm here is article is ynet (translated from hebrew israel's biggest news site) which caused peres to loose election http://www.shimonperes.net/davidpage/davidpagefiles/David_kneset.htm.. this guy rutstein is singlehandedly bringing this conspiracy thing to the front pages..

he is getting alot of press in hebrew.... but it seems that arutz 7 really likes him.. and artuz 7 is really the only english news site pushing the story now Conspiracy Nutjob 20:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

here is what you can do to check rutstein's significance.. I am typing the hebrew words (with translation) and google it ..

 yigal amir יגאל עמיר
yitzhak rabin יצחק רבין
rabin murder/assassination רצח רבין
yitzhak rabin murder/assassintion רצח יצחק רבין
shimon peres שמעון פרס

all these words have his multiple sites at the top of the search engine his sites are shimonperes.net yitzhakrabin.co.il yitchakrabin.com yigalamir.com in hebrew this guy created his own media to change a country Conspiracy Nutjob 20:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

here is another poll that came out in the hebrew language http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/648/950.html 54% השיבו בשלילה ורק 15 אחוז ענו בחיוב

The article's headline is that 54% on an internet poll on arutz 7 in hebrew claimed that they do not believe that yigal amir killed rabin.. while 15 percent believe that amir killed rabin. the rest said that they were not sure.. here you go.. 15% on internet poll believe the official story. rutstin is the guy whose web site is linked to in the talkbacks.. and these web sites changed public opinionץ NRG.com is israel's second largest newspaper and internet news site. Conspiracy Nutjob 16:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC) .

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David, (if I may use your first name and address you personally since you took the liberty of blatantly violating WP rules yourself - NN, COI, removing prod tags, advertising, etc...), you know that frankly, your exceptional work here and everywhere else is actually known to increase the suspicion for being a shabak agent in the Jewish unit? You see, your actions are bordering on whacko, to the point of discreditting Chamish's work, something the shabak and everyone behind it would like very much. Are you a shabak agent? You very much fit the profile. --Shuki 19:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I am just an American living in Israel,, who believed the official version for a long time, till I saw these various web sites and movies. Maybe I am a bit weird but I believe that publicizing the Israeli government lieing and killing is not something the Israeli government really wants. But maybe that is what they want and paid Rutstein to build web sites. Only G-d knows. Regarding Chamish's work, I really never knew about the whole conspiracy thing till I saw it on Rutstein's websites. I read chamish's stuff in english recently on the web... but chamish has no presence on the hebrew internet.. so that may be why the israeli government got away with its lie for so long..-------written by conspiracy nut job----------. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.178.139.249 (talk • contribs)

I am the conspiracy nutjob... Tell me Shuki, what is conflict of interest.. and of course this guy is notable..... All the stuff on the page is verifiable.. and true.... Some people just accomplish stuff in life.. so give the guy his due.. and based on the user page. you seem to come from kibutz dati, or are dati... I am not sure if you remember .. but a few years ago the israeli establishment using the media was inciting heavily against the religious population... and Rutstein claims that this incident stopped the incitement on a dime. http://www.shimonperes.net/davidpage/davidpagefiles/david_kempler.htm ... Read what Rutstein has to say.. and if you are religous jew .. or like religous jew.. you can send rutstein an appology. --written by conspiracy nutjob----- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.178.139.249 (talk • contribs)

here is another bit of interesting information.. I put this on the main page..

• Rutstein's Flix.co.il (Israel's YouTube) homepage with over 187,000 movie views.. almost 200,000 views just by those views hosted by flix.... that is a good chunk of the population.. and these movies are seen elsewhere as well.. I believe that the movie views have done more to change public opinion than anything else..

conspiracy nut job.. wrote this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.178.139.249 (talk) 22:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Uh, religious and kibbutz dati, yup. I'll give you a break and reply, maybe a mistake, whatever. First, follow the link to read about COI. And then OR as well.

You seem to know a lot about this otherwise unknown guy, personal stuff that is simply not verifiable by reliable WP standards or sourced either in the article. And make no doubt about it, for better or worse, he is unknown in Israel except to some of the Chamish fans and the rotter forum where he did similar damage to the cause, himself, not unlike 'you' and the blatant nickname, appearing out of nowhere magically on the anniversary of the assasination, whoever did it. The Rutstein character itself appeared out of nowhere only a few years ago, trying to draw major attention to himself. If this person actually is an eccentric multimillionare, then he would know that a good PR advisor is much more effective than walking around Tel Aviv with a sign on his back, or some websites. I would also suggest improving writting skills to be more persuasive.

And last of all, I question your motives. What's your point? Chamish at least researched and put together a lot of info and has consistant points whether people want to accept it or not. --Shuki 23:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Excellent observations, Shuki, The whole story is online.. at Rutstein's english web site about the the murder shimonperes.net/davidrutstein.htm... so all this is in the public domain... actually with the flix.co.il technique .. was really a big one.. to go beyond, rotter.net and the english crowd.. online.. as well as appearing numerous times on the labor party internet newspaper.... Chamish was into selling books (to people who would buy them).. .. and when the stuff was online book sales decreased and he left the country.. Rutstein's goal seems to be to take the issue over the top.. and he seems to be succeeding.. The motive can be figured out pretty easily.... The motive was to stop the incitement against the religious Jews.. which has somewhat succeeded... Once Rutstein got into it.. you might as well take it to the final conclusion.. which should be happening in the near future..either this novemmber or next november..

One of the negatives of Chamish,, was that he was the only person.. When there is only one guy out there it is easy to call him a "nut",, with multiple players singing the same tune.. one tends to look at the evidence of the given subject.

Regarding being unkown in Israel.. his web sites get thousands every day......I know this by asking him.. .. and knowing that all his keywords are among the most searched terms in the country especially in the month of November.. In fact, I read the listing of most searched terms and יצחק רבין is the most searched term in November. רצח רביו, יגאל עמיר are not far behind. Read the guys online book (in process) Do you remember that 2 1/2 years ago... an israeli claiming conspiracy was like denying the holocaust.... do you think that things have changed by accident.. or it was actually engineered by someone.. Rutstein claims that he caused the change.... letter the wiki readers decide.. wiki is just a portal of information.., nothing else..

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In a few days I will take down the merge banner, Keep in mind, at least one person who wanted to delete the "kempler video" and makes incesant edits to anything associated with rabin murder, of course wants to delete this page. and I am sure that we will see many edits here to make rutstein look like an idiot. These are the techniques that the protectors of the "official version of the rabin murder".. We know the technique .. if you could just leave "david rutstein" out of the edit and slander wars that would be appreciated. Conspiracy Nutjob 17:31, 4 November 2007 (UTC)