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Contents 1 English vs British 2 Cheshire 3 Semi-lock please 4 GA on hold

[edit] English vs British

This is in reference to a recent edit I made. If you disagree, please see the relevant Wikipedia policy first: WP:MOSBIO. I quote: "Nationality (In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable. Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability.)". The term "English" is an ethnic term, the term "British" is a national term, therefore the latter should be used in the introductory paragraph of biographies of Englishmen. 128.208.76.76 00:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm no nationalist, but I'm afraid this is one of my bugbears. If you did the same thing to a Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish person it wouldn't have lasted a minute. Also, if you quote, from the MOSBIO: "In the normal case this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national, or was a citizen when the person became notable", then I don't see how that can be anything other than England, thus English. SteveLamacq43 22:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't care if its your bugbear. England is not a sovereign country, I'm sorry. It is an ethnic group. And I have indeed this morning corrected the articles of:

   * Daniel Craig
   * Desmond 
   * Sean Connery
   * Catherine Zeta-Jones
   * Dylan Thomas
   * George Best

which were not reverted. I'm sorry, but I will not bow the Wikipedia policies to your personal opinion, or even a prevailing view, if it is incorrect. The country is the United Kingdom, the nationality British. Please see User:Laddiebuck/Nationalism for a fuller explanation, and User:Laddiebuck for my "progress" in making these corrections. I would be very glad if you would join me in correcting this on the biographies of other famous people from the UK. laddiebuck 01:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

What utter nonsense. To be honest, you ruined any point you may or many not have had when you had the arrogance to completely shoot down my opinion, ignore any previous discussions about this topic, and then refer me to an essay you yourself have written to back up your claims! I can see you've got no support elsewhere either, so here's hoping you'll desist.SteveLamacq43 14:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Please note that "English" is not an ethnicity! England is a civic nation, composed of many different ethnic strands. England is a nation, and the adjective for something or someone from a nation is a nationality: "English" is a nationality, per WP:MOSBIO. --Mais oui! 08:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Note all Laddiebuck's edits have been reverted, and he has been warned not to do this again. Proto ► 22:21, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

English is a nationality, as is Scottish, Welsh, Irish, etc. See http://www.steadfasttrust.org.uk/images/2007_test_H1_form.gif for a sample pic of a census form. Look at question 12. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.141.25.122 (talk) 21:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Which doesn't mention "nationality," but rather "national identity." 00:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

English is most *certainly* a term for an ethnic group, distinct from it's use as a nationality. For example, I am (mostly) ethnically English and am a citizen of the UK residing in England. Therefore both my ethnicity and nationality happen to be English. *However* if I were to move to say, Canada, and become a citizen of that nation, my nationality would have changed to Canadian, but my ethnicity would have remained the same, English. --86.135.218.31 (talk) 04:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cheshire

The Wirral is not part of Cheshire; it is part of Merseyside. The statements regarding Craig's early life in 'Cheshire' are therefore not correct. Can somebody make the relevant corrections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.220.86.40 (talk) 15:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-lock please

• Before this becomes way too vandalized. --Chiaro 16:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

• [2]) reference should be outside of the bracket
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• BAFTA-nominated Mentioning awards/nominations in the first sentence can be considered POV as it glorifies the subject (feel free to mention awards in later sentences)
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• agent James Bond in the official film series from EON Productions - The reader does not need to know anything about EON productions as it is irrelevant in the lead
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• The lead only mentions information about his career as Bond, you need to expand it to include a brief mention of his entire life for example add a sentence like "Brought up in Frodsham, Craig joined the National Youth Theatre at the age of sixteen. Graduating from the Guildhall School of Music and Drama in 1991, Craig's first film roles included.... etc Mention that CR is also the highest grossing bond film (i think it was..)
• Mention his birth date in Early Life
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Please link Midshipman, should it be capatilized? (it isn't in the article on it)
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• He was brought up in Frodsham where his father was landlord of the "Ring 'O Bells" and "The Boot" pubs in Willington, near Chester, and then Hoylake on the Wirral (near Liverpool) -> move "pubs" before Ring o Bells, and no need to mention the location of pubs his father owned, article is on Daniel
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Don't link single years such as 1991 by themselves, they add nothing to the article
  • Y Done Vikrant 10:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• at the first sentence of the Career section, split it into two sentences separating his minor roles and his major one
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• (see below), remove
  • Y Done Vikrant 16:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• The Mother (2003) with Anne Reid, Layer Cake (2004) with Sienna Miller, Sword of Honour (2001), Sylvia (2003) with Gwyneth Paltrow, Enduring Love (2004) with Rhys Ifans, Steven Spielberg's Munich (2005) and Infamous (2006). Very, very, very brief mention of all these films. What about Box office figures, critics reviews of his acting?
  • No source found. What do I write? Vikrant 16:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• As early as February 2005 -> In early February 2005
  • Y Done Vikrant 10:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• £15 million ($29,696,972) The $ is American i presume?
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Finally, on October 23, 2005, -> On October 23, 2005,
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• contract, with the first, Casino Royale, - Mention that Casino Royale is one of the films
  • Y Done Vikrant 10:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Craig is the first actor to step into the role who was born after the first Bond film, Dr. No, was released. Craig is also the first Bond to be hired after the death of Bond producers Albert R. Broccoli in 1996 and Harry Saltzman in 1994. Merge these sentences, mention the year Dr No. was released, remove link to 1996
  • Y Done This is unnecessary trivia. Vikrant 10:50, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• He also recently signed a contract for both Bond films 24 and 25.. two fullstops at the end of this sentence, remove "also", remove "recently" and tell the reader when he signed the contract
  • Y Done Vikrant 10:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• with some vocal fans -> with some vocal fans
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• can the references be put at the end of the sentence? it breaks up the sentence
  • Y Done Vikrant 08:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
• Merge the Bronsan paragraph with the previous one mentioning casting support
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Several critics have said that Craig is the most believable and charismatic Bond since Sean Connery. Who are these critics?
  • Nobody Vikrant 08:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
• Craig's realistic and more humane portrayal of Bond -> this is opinion and needs to be attributed
  • Y Done Vikrant 08:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
• On October 25, 2007, MGM CEO Harry Sloan revealed at the Forbes Meet II Conference that Craig had signed on for four more Bond films, through to Bond 25. Uhh wasn't this mentioned above? link the fulldate
  • Y Done Vikrant 10:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• has shot up to the #2 -> "Shot up" is not encyclopedia language
  • Y Done Vikrant 10:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Remove links to 2007
  • Y Done Vikrant 10:43, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Wow, there is absolutely no mention of box office performance Casino Royale did, no mention of records it broke, first weekend total, domestic total and international, no mention of awards, no quotes from critics....
  • Y Done Vikrant 16:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• .[24] ].[25][26] Don't know what happened there...\
  • Y Done Vikrant 08:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
• Craig was previously(remove previously) married to British actress Fiona Loudon(mention when they were married, how long for). They had one child together, Ella, who was born in 1992.[24] ].[25][26] He has also said that he enjoys playing video games in his spare time.(pointless trivia, remove) [27] He proposed to movie producer Satsuki Mitchell (late 2007). She has made movies like The Jacket and Searching for Debra Winger.(merge sentences, italics for movies)
  • Y Done Vikrant 08:21, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
• Some references need to be formatted to include publisher (the website) date retrieved (today), date and author if applicable. References 5 to 10 currently do this, also please change the reference list to {{relist|2}}
  • Y Done Vikrant 10:59, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Categories People from Chester | People from Prescot - he's from one or the other, not both.
  • Y Done Vikrant 10:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Add Wikipedia:Persondata
  • Y Done Vikrant 15:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

A lot of work is required, please leave any comments if you are confused, cross of things as you go, i have the page watchlisted so will watch progress being made. M3tal H3ad (talk) 05:12, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Weak pass, you need to go into a lot more detail if you want to take this further. Other than that good job. M3tal H3ad (talk) 06:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)