Talk:Daisy Bates (Australia)
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[edit] earlier comments
Bates is called 'Daisy' throughout. I would change it to conform with the convention of using people's surnames rather than given names (do we speak of Abraham, or Lincoln?), but as I am unsure of the Wikipedia convention, and can't find it, I will only mention that I think it seems very odd. Alpheus 11:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yes you're right, and I've fixed it. We now have the situation that she is referred to as "Bates" even before she took the name. I don't think that's a problem, but others might. Drew (Snottygobble) | Talk 03:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] De Vries etc
You should alter much of the early information on Bates to catch up with modern research. A book by Susanna de Vries is about to come out in 2008 which will support this. You will realise she was a liar and a serial bigamist. Firstly Bates was born as Margaret Dwyer in Roscrea, Tipperary on 16 Oct 1859. Her parents were James and Bridget Dwyer. Bates age and birthdate is no longer in doubt elswhere. Her tombstone in N Adelaide gives her age on death (April 1951) as 91 which relates exactly to the 1859 birthdate. Other information points to this birthdate, a birthday book in Streaky Bay museum and also a letter in the Zimbabwe archives to Ramon de Bertodano written in 1945 in which she says "I am approaching 86 summers" (I have a copy). She sailed steerafge on the "Almora" on the 22 November 1882 from Plymouth arriving at Townsville on 15 Jan 1883.There is a diary written by a cabin passager in the Queensland Archive of this voyage in which she is mentioned. Essntially she was very poor and the passages about enjoying the high life and losing money in investments is rubbish. She married Ernest Clark Baglehole on 10 June 1885 at St Stephen's Church Newtown as a spinster and giving her birthplace as ireland and her father as James E O'Dwyer as usual. it is quite possible that she also contracted other marriages in her trip to England 1894-99. ther is much more but hopefully you will amend the article. Joseph West (talk) 09:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)Joseph West
- Thanks Joseph. I have no objection to you adding the material above WRT to Baglehole and date of birth etc. We need to ensure that everything is reliably sourced and don't start speculating about "possible" other marriages, although I'd also read somewhere about an engagement to a Philip Gipps in 1884/85. If there's anything like that, discuss it here first. —Moondyne 00:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
- De Vries has been added to 'further reading' - it might help any further editoras of this article to backup some of the perosnal life issues - also the whole article needs a 'lack in text cites' as well SatuSuro 13:48, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Attitude to people of part Aboriginal descent
I have added the Perth Sunday Times quote in order to make clear why Daisy Bates is not necessarily regarded as a heroine by all indigenous Australians, many of whom are of part Aboriginal descent.--Jbeureka (talk) 06:57, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
