Talk:Computer literacy
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Seems just a little bit POV - "Computer literacy is just as important as literacy, the ability to read and write" is particularly notable. teucer 02:04, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
I agree with you, teucer. I have added the {{pov check}} template to the page. Maxistheman 1 July 2005 21:00 (UTC)
- I agree. There were a whole lot more POV´s. I removed the wrong POV and replaced it with my own.Zanaq 4 July 2005 02:29 (UTC)
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[edit] Grammar
There are numerous grammatical and mechanical issues in this article. I've eliminated a few, but a complete revision would be helpful. The writing style of the article needs improvement, too, in the sense that this article is not fully encyclopedic. Any thoughts? --weixifan 00:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 1st world?
i dont see the relevance of 1st world in this subject or how computer literacy is more necesary in a 1st world vs 2nd or 3rd world. i cant speak for other countries, but i know first hand that americans are not very computer literate when compared to supposed 2nd and 3rd world countries like china or india.
[edit] Verifiability: lack of citations
This article deserves a bit more more work! I've added links to ECDL and Literacy to get a few more people noticing the problem. --Mereda 09:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Levels of computer literacy
Perhaps this article should deal more with basic computer literacy (like how to perform a web search or create a document; note that I mean these to be criteria rather than someone needing to write a guide to that;)) rather than saying that to be computer literate, you must know what an algorithm is, and why computers can't create random numbers. Those are just 2 examples, and neither of them is necessary to be able to use a computer effectively to perform a task that might be required at a job which isn't computer-centric.
To me, this article seems like an attack on computer newbies (particularly the Aspects of Computer Literacy section). A user does not need to know everything there is to know to operate a computer, just like a car owner does not need to know how to change his brakes. Just something future editors should keep in mind...
24.68.65.244 06:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with the idea that the article should deal with the basics. Maybe if the introduction described literacy in general and then went to "functional literacy". That is an easy split made in many other forms of literacy discussions. Define the general and the basic form. The previous example of a car is a very good example of functional literacy. The term literacy seems to bend towards the "functional" variety, not the "knowledgable" variety that we tend to think of. This article is in the right direction I believe. Again, the idea of the car given previously is (I think) the perfect essence of (functional) literacy. Any article dealing with literacy should lead in that direction (even reading). Otherwise it quickly becomes way too open ended very fast. Syscore 04:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Sure, you can be skilled driver without knowing anything about how to maintain nor build a car. (Note that the things listed under aspects of literacy mention nothing about building or fixing a computer.) However, there aren't a significant number of drivers who don't understand the basic laws of physics (even if they can't name them). There are a significant number of computer users who don't understand the basic laws of computing. It is good to know the limitations of the machine you are operating. Therefore, IMHO, limiting the discussion to just functional literacty is to constraining.
Also, it is worth mentioning, that in the case of the computer, every application will have it's own grocery list of things they consider functional literacy. For example, the list of media literacy topics. So, if you are to go that route, the list of literacy attributes is an ever growing list.
Don't let your own ignorances limit this discussion 206.148.164.240 03:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Various levels of understanding
I think that levels are important. The base level should include the ability to switch on a computer, use a web browser, to search, and to send/receive email. Other easy to use tools such as video players, audio players etc. could also be considered at this level.
A higher level could include some of: the ability to read HTML source code, the ability to write HTML source code, the ability to put up a web page on a server, the ability to use CSS to modify the appearance of a web page.
There are other almost equally valid clusters of ability, such as the ability to read a program in a languages such as C++, the ability to write a program in such a language, the ability to install and run a program once written.
Yet another skill set could be to install a commercial package on a stand alone machine. Note that some skills change where networks are involved.
Understanding is important too, but not always necessary. Someone who knows about virtual memory and relationships between physical memory and virtual memory size may (but not always ...) be in a much better position to understand why programs do not always run at the hoped for speed.
Someone who knows about security threats may be able to detect problems in a computer, and hopefully also avoid them.
Where do we draw the line between what might be considered essential literacy and advanced? Should everyone understand functional programming or logic programming? (Probably not!) What about knowledge of low level execution - sequential execution (Von Neumann architectures), parallel systems etc.?
There are issues about how much knowledge should be expected by experts and how much by more general users. Memory issues may be particularly important when new operating systems are released. Users of older machines who "upgrade" to the new software may find that they take a terrific performance hit. While a simple solution may be to buy a completely new set of hardware, and indeed with continually reducing prices this may be economic for many, often an acceptable solution may be to simply install new memory, or one or two new devices. Computer literacy should include knowledge of hardware and media as well as of programs. Simple things, such as it will always take a long while to write a DVD using an older 1x or 2x DVD writer (such as were quite widely used even a few years ago), or that using 2x DVD media in a writer will also force even a fast writer to slow down, are easy enough to teach, and may not matter for many users - until they actually want to write DVDs. Awareness of hardware and performance could well be considered part of computer literacy, as over a long period of time this can have an impact on decisions which may have economic and performance related impact.
Yet another aspect is the human-computer interface. Users should understand the differences between the use of CRT and flat screen displays, and also why it might be a good idea to use screens with much greater desktop area (for example to show two documents side by side ...). HCI issues can have a big impact on productivity and how computers are perceived by users. Such awareness is not only necessary for end users, but also for managers etc. A manager who is convinced that use of 15 inch CRT monitors is adequate, and will provide cheap hardware may well overlook the possible benefits which could arise if his employees are given larger screens and better equipment, where the increased cost of hardware could easily be offset by increases in productivity, and/or general motivation of staff ("we use new equipment, rather than 5 year old kit ...")
Quality and reliability issues may also be important. Regarding quality, while most of us may not worry about colour quality in printers and displays (up to a point), in some areas of work it may be very important that displays and printers are calibrated and accurate for high quality work. While it may be possible to use very high quality equipment in applications which do not require high levels of specification, the converse is definitely not true.
Should users also be aware of technological progress? Moore's "Law", or Roberts' "Law" for communications? What about open-source programs versus proprietary? Standards?
There's a lot to know - much of it isn't very difficult, but without awareness of some of this users may find it difficult to operate effectively.
David Martland 08:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Engineer Bias?
To me, it seems that most of the article as well as this discussion has an "engineer bias". Don't get me wrong, of course "computer literacy" or digital literacy implies some technical knowledge, but are the various lists really examples of what the ordinary computer literate person absolutely, above all, needs to know? Most of it looks like a list of some engineer's or tech-support person's frustrations with clueless users, camouflaged as "topics". Do you have to be a programmer to be completely "literate"???
I believe that we need much more reference to research on the matter, after all there are scientific journals dedicated to this topic. We should look to them for more serious definitions. Now, I don't think a proper definition is easy to come by, but that's also part of my point. The whole article should start out with acknowledging that it is a term under much discussion.
Here's another source, by the way. This one emphasizes critical reading over various levels of technical knowledge. I think that's very important. Focus on the real implications and forget about the small technicalities.
http://horizon.unc.edu/projects/resources/digital_literacy.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diskonaut (talk • contribs) 19:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
