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Contents 1 "War will go on forever" 2 "Some Viewers" explanation 3 Speculating on the MPAA rating 4 Steven Spielberg?

[edit] "War will go on forever"

How does the appearance of the newcomer in the final scene imply the war will go on forever? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.118.26 (talk) 02:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I've never liked that paragraph. It sounds too much like one person's creative reading of the closing shots; that scene doesn't read the same way to me. All "the appearance of the newcomer" says to me is that yet another innocent boy is going to be subjected to the horrors of war. We all know from history class that World War II eventually came to an end, even though it continues to have consequences to this day. Robert Happelberg (talk) 23:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Some Viewers" explanation

In response to Anton, when I said "some viewers" I meant that this topic was discussed on the IMDB message boards among the people who saw this movie, and this was one of the arguments made against the people who said that this film was just propaganda. I thought it would be usefull to have this point mentioned in the Wiki article as a counterpoint to that other quote from the New York critic, and as a pre-emptive counterpoint to any future mentioning of the propaganda criticism (which I think is ridiculous - if this movie is propaganda, then so is Schindler's List... but anyway...). Esn 09:41, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying who "some viewers" are.

I understand your reasons perfectly. If this movie was half as popular in the U.S. as, say Team America: World Police, we'd have to deal with people adding all sorts of redundant things.

But anyone who's read even a tiny bit of Elem Klimov's life story would think twice before calling any of his films "propaganda." Anton Mravcek 21:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speculating on the MPAA rating

I don't know if you guys have seen American Pie, but you might know that the MPAA threatened to give the film an NC-17 rating if Jim thrust into the pie one too many times. So I think it's entirely plausible that the MPAA would've given this Russian film a PG-13 if there was no nudity, even with all the violence. This is still speculation, regardless of how plausible I might think it is. Robert Happelberg 22:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's useful to tell readers that this would rate a PG-13 for violence, it's at least as violent--I would contend much more violent--as Saving Private Ryan, which was R. And that film had nothing comparable to Glasha's final scenes, the barn scene, Florya's village after the invasion, etc. I'd be willing to bet MPAA would give it an R for violence alone. Movies depicting rape (or in this case, its bloody aftermath)usually get an R.--Son of Somebody 08:16, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Steven Spielberg?

From the article as of April 30:

The film heavily influenced Steven Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan and Schindler's List. Spielberg screened it before making them.

If this movie really influenced him, why it's not mentioned in relevant articles about his films? --Yonkie 09:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I tried a Google Scholar search for "steven spielberg" AND "elem klimov" and got just two results, and as far as I can tell Klimov is not even mentioned in the same sentence as Spielberg. So I'm removing the statement about this film's influence on Spielberg. Anton Mravcek 23:13, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The influence was the shellshock effect (used twice in SPR). --HanzoHattori 23:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)