Talk:Claudio Monteverdi

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Contents 1 Date of Death 2 Question re Search 3 Kudos 4 'green mountain'? 5 Arianna 6 WPBio Template "needs infobox" parameter 7 Books of madrigals 8 Copy editing tag 9 Oh my, all work and no play...? 10 The portrait 11 Explanation for why I deleted the external link marshall.charles.googlepages.com - English translations and recordings from the Fourth Book of Monteverdi's Madrigals

[edit] Date of Death

We had Monteverdi's death date here as November 11, but Grove Concise and other reference works give it as November 29, and I can't find any hint that the date is in question, so I've changed it. (I wouldn't normally mention a change like this on talk, but we'd had it as Nov 11 for more than a year, so I thought I'd better.) --Camembert

You are correct: every source I have lists his death date as Nov 29. He was taken ill on the 20th and died on the 29th "of malignant fever of 9 days duration" according to the obit published in the Registers of Public Health of Venice (from the biography by Denis Arnold, Monteverdi) -- Antandrus 04:48, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Question re Search

When you search for "Claudio Monteverdi" the index title for this page is "Claudio Monteverde" I dont know how to change that so just letting you people know.

That's not what happens when I search: Claudio Monteverde comes up 5th in the list, Claudio Monteverdi first. The Monteverde is a redirect. Is it possible you misspelled it in the search box? Otherwise I don't see anything amiss. Antandrus (talk) 04:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Thats strange, earlier it was 100% relevancy. Either way, would it not be better to remove the redirect, and instead put up a "Did you mean Claudio Monteverdi"? So igorant people wont write his name wrong.

[edit] Kudos

Kudos, all of you at work here. When all of Wikipedia's composer articles are this good, it will be a very good encyclopedia indeed. --Wetman 20:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Amen. Srnec 18:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'green mountain'?

I'd remove the line where it says that Monteverdi means "green mountain" in Italian. First of all, it is not true, because 'Verdi' is a plural where 'Monte' is a singular, therefore 'Monteverdi' doesn't mean anything as it is. One should actually go and check the origins of this surname. Second, I don't see the relevance of it either way, unless one gives a reason for this remark in the rest of the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Corpodibacco (talk • contribs) 10:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

Yah, I agree. It's gone. Antandrus (talk) 16:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arianna

I miss some information on the lost opera's of Monteverdi, most notably Arianna. One piece of it has survived "Lamento d'Arianna", which was during his lifetime one of his most popular pieces, surviving both in a monodic form and as a Madrigal. To call the Ulysses and Poppea the high points of his operatic works seems not quite correct, since we have incomplete knowledge of his works. As far as popularity goes the Arianne may have been one of his greatest successes. Perhaps someone can make a more detailed study of Arianna, and add it to the main text.

JV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.147.244.80 (talk • contribs)

Makes sense. I'll see what I can do. You are also welcome to add/rearrange the material as you see fit. Cheers, Mak (talk) 22:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WPBio Template "needs infobox" parameter

Shortly after I added the fuller template with the "needs infobox" parameter set to "yes", it was changed to "no". I can guess at two possible reasons: 1) The article is considered to already have an infobox, which would be the portrait with his name? or 2) There is a consensus for the opera composer articles to not contain infoboxes? because they are considered to detract from the layout of the article? However, I've looked at Giuseppe Verdi and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, both of which, to my eyes :) have nice-looking infoboxes around the portrait. I believe the presence of an infobox is considered a standard for Biography articles; however, that consideration would be secondary to a consensus among a working group that maintains a certain set of articles, as, for example the Opera project group maintaining the composer articles. If I can understand the reason for the change, I can be better informed for future edits related to WPBio assessments. Thanks! Lini 04:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe it is because a lot of us who work on composer articles neither like infoboxes, nor feel they contribute useful content to articles. They jam composers into bins like "genre" "instruments played" in a way which is wholly inappropriate for phenomena such as Renaissance and Baroque music composers. CD shops may do these things to organise their disks for sale, but encyclopedias do their readers a disservice to say that a composer's "genre" is "Baroque" -- to give one example. They may be more appropriate to some areas than others: perhaps popular musicians may benefit from them: but for someone in the Venetian or Ferrarese schools, a maestro de cappella with multiple roles and stylistic attributes, anything found in an infobox other than birth and death dates is just misleading. My opinion. Antandrus (talk) 04:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Antandrus, that sounds reasonable to me. I will forbear from including "Needs infobox=yes" in any WPBio tags on Composer articles in the future. Cheers, Lini 04:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. It's a discussion we still need to have somewhere more central (not sure where) ... for example it may be appropriate to put someone like Philip Glass in "genre minimalism" but I'm not sure where to draw the line. Like so many things on Wikipedia, not quite enough people have yet gotten together to figure it out, and with composers I think it's unusually messy. Best regards, Antandrus (talk) 04:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Books of madrigals

Any objections if I were to list out Monteverdi's books of madrigals, giving the Italian titles and years of publication?

Thanks, Lini 17:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Mak (talk) 17:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I've added them. Two things that I'd like feedback on - 1) they take up more space than I expected, because the titles are so long. So, do we want to do something different, after all, other than listing them all out in this article? 2) If we do keep them here, is the format I used OK? If it could be improved, could you direct me to a good example? (Also, I tried out adjusting the size of the image down just a little - I think that result was good.) Thanks in advance for your feedback! Lini 02:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll assume that, for now, the added length to the article due to the list of madrigal books is OK. But, my feelings will not be hurt if someone decides at some future date, that something different needs to be done here. Thanks, Lini 10:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copy editing tag

I cannot see any reason for the copy editing tag now. Can this be removed? Alacrid 11:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oh my, all work and no play...?

Well, there was little "play" in M.'s life - although there was a plague - a very important one, because it took both of his children and drove him to become a priest... And while we're on the subject of children... they had a mother, too. His wife. Claudia.

Anyone willing to take it from here...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.61.55.188 (talk) 02:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The portrait

The portrait has been convincingly shown to be of the actor Tristano Martinelli, not Monteverdi, though it has appears as cover art even on a biography of Monteverdi. --Wetman (talk) 10:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation for why I deleted the external link marshall.charles.googlepages.com - English translations and recordings from the Fourth Book of Monteverdi's Madrigals

For an explanation of my decision to delete this external link, please see this Pasiphae discussion pagewhich is just one example of the way Wikipedia is going.--Charlesmarshall65 (talk) 17:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)