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[edit] Inserting a link...
Is it appropriate to include a link on this page that has the original article that is spoken about? I am referring to http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0%2C%2C2710-1218615%2C00.html and the final paragraph in the section about Civil Liberties in the United Kingdom.
How should this link be formatted? Should it be suggested as the original source of information or rather a further resource? Thank you. Adamburton 16:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't understand the wording of a piece of the particle, which says the Constituion of Canada is similar to the U.S. with the exception of the protection against establishment of religion. However, in the Establishment of Religion article, it says it is against establish of religion. Am I confused, or does something need to be changed?
[edit] The Right to Privacy
- How can there be any right to privacy without any ownership of private property? If the socialist government of the United States continues to confiscate all privately-owned land and property under the doctrine of "sustainable development", there will eventually be no right to privacy left for Americans. This right to privacy might cease to exist; because there would be "no room left for it".
[edit] China
I removed some petty vandalism and hopefully someone with more knowledge on this subject can just edit the section to include a brief synopsis of the main article on Chinese civil liberties which is linked to in this section: TG312274 23:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
How can any person or a goverment machinery who was not directly appointed by an individual in situation but by the assumed mass that even doesnt know of the individual can take the liberty to even claim to judge an aindividual who suffered of the situation by the unacceptable means like an official position can define and take liberty to constrain an individual in any country? be it india or US or Canada or any country. Where is the law that protects an individual from the arragance of the self appointed officials and officials appointed by the goverment who actually don't comply and act lesser to individual?
[edit] 'Interdisciplinary project'
May I draw your attention to a new article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS_tracking . We're there in the early stages of a discussion of a weapon that puts civil liberties into a degree of danger that has been unknown so far. I'm talking about GPS/GSM bugs. These devices do not only constantly determine your car's whereabouts, they also transmit its geographical coordinates to your surveillant(s). These devices are tiny and so sensitive nowadays, that they can be hidden somewhere at your car (even below it) and still keep on working.
Please read 'GPS tracking', spread the word and help us solving the issue through your civil liberties input!
Michael Laudahn 14:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Freedom House Link
I removed the following link because it was broken:
The Freedom house folks seem to have re-designed their site, and the country ratings are somewhat buried. Should we try to link to the rankings page, or directly to the PDF for 2006? It would be helpful for this site to provide an easy link (Rather than a dynamic link) to the ranking content. Perhaps we can just point to their homepage? Does anyone have an opinion? Anca 18:46, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
Made some edits, and removed the cleanup tags. :) --Noypi380 16:17, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rearrangement
I rearranged the introduction and qualified some sweeping statements. I also moved the commentary on civil liberties in the UK away from the more descriptive section on civil liberties and their constitutional status around the world and into its own section.Atticus Finch 00:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Self Defense
Should not the right to self-defense, for example, the right to arms, be considered a civil liberty? CS 02:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Right to Bear Arms
This article suggests that this right might not be a civil liberty. I object on two grounds: (1) It is a fact that within the US this is a long-established and fundamental civil liberty (Second Amendment to the United States Constitution) and (2) no citation or support is offered to prove that the 2nd Amendment does not exist. Revising the POV challenge to the actual existance of this civil liberty should be a priority, unless substantil evidence is offered that this is not a civil liberty anywhere at all.
For balance, many nations recognize that individual criminals possess a civil liberty that precludes their execution for their crimes. This is a second example of a civil liberty that is present in some, but not all societies.
I suggest a section titled something like NATIONAL VARIENCE IN CIVIL LIBERTIES to hndle these important issues. These variences of recognized civil liberties cause serious issues for inter-governmental cooperation. One example would be the constitutional lack of authority of the US to enter into treaties (Second Article of the United States Constitution)such as the International Criminal Court treaty because the civil liberty to guarantee that no American may be tried before a judge (Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution)is not recognized in Europe or elsewhere. Another example is the refusal of many nations to extradite criminals to nations that might legally execute them. In both of these cases, serious conflicts between nationally recognized civil liberties impair international cooperation. Raggz 00:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Something like national variations seems in order, since as it stands now, right to bear arms, not recognised in most of Europe at least, is implied to be a common civil liberty (in general), and it seems, on the grounds of its status as such, as you say, in the US constitution amendment. Articles should have a more international scope than that.--89.172.85.70 21:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Stasis and the Evolution, Exercise, and Protection of Civil Liberties
The article views civil liberties to be more or less in stasis, that present civil liberties are likely to resemble those likely to exist in a generation or two. The United Kingdom's history is especially rich in regard to sustaining civil liberties, while most of European history (and world history) is of ephemeral civil liberties. Are there other societies where access to civil liberties have been maintained for centuries without interruption?
This topic is critical, if we think that maintaining access to present (or expanded) civil liberties is important. Raggz 00:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Right to Trial by Jury
The Right to Trial by Jury is a critical civil liberty, perhaps not so important for individuals as to society at large. This article does not discuss the right to trial by jury which many consider to be the reason that the UK and the US have such a relatively long uninterupted history of access to civil liberties. Thomas Jefferson and many since have strongly claimed the critical importance of this oft neglected civil liberty.
Without the assistance of German judges, could Hitler have dominated Europe? Without politically appointed judges could Nazi rule over Europe been successful? Tyrants always install new judges, trials by jury are far mre difficult for tyrants. If the People of China were offered this single civil liberty, clearly they could use it as a lever to obtain the other civil liberties they now lack? Raggz 00:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I strongly object to inclusion of right to trial by jury in common, and especially critical civil liberties, since its mostly only an anglosaxon tradition, and again, its not fair to define civil liberties in general on customs of a very few countries. Even though I really like this aspect of anglosaxon law personally, thats just not enough for inclusion in a general article. Couldnt some more general and international source on civil liberties be used for framing such dilemmas in this article, instead of personal choices and local traditions of editors? --89.172.85.70 21:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Can freedom exist without state?
The whole article looks very strange, it seems based on the bizzarre idea that people can be free without state. Like Hobbes and Rousseau never existed. How can you have private property without state? how can you follow your religion? (unless there is only one religion). It seems based on the mith that freedom is always less state, even when state disappears. Probably it is written form the point of view of people that have a large amount of power and do not want that a state imposes them some limitations. Maybe the article is simply POV.Truman (talk) 14:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Article needs work
This article is listed in the WP1.0 Core supplement, so I reviewed this for our next release but regretfully had to fail it. This article simply contains a longish lead section then a description of civil liberties in a few selected countries. There is surely so much more to say on this topic? Please let us know if it gets stronger. Thanks, Walkerma (talk) 03:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
- Let we start from the initial settlement: Civil liberties is the name given to freedoms that protect the individual from government to a certain extent. Civil liberties set limits for government so that it cannot abuse its power and interfere with the lives of its citizens.
- This definition can stay inside anarcho-capitalism, but is not generally agreed. As an example, the italian constitution says (Art. 34.) that it a task for the State to make effective the rights of the citizens, meaning that abstract liberties are meaningful without an environment that allows them.
- So it can be agreed that sometimes the citizen could need some form of protection from the state, but, on the other side, the state could make effective liberties that would otherwise remain theoretical. This second side appears forgot in the article.Truman (talk) 15:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
