Talk:Circle line (London Underground)

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For this and other "geographically accurate" maps of London Tube lines, it would be nice to have a scale, compass direction, and OS grid reference. Thanks! Hotlorp 02:25, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

History

I have rewritten this article since it contained a few fairly glaring factual historical errors: my article on the Metropolitan and Metropolitan District Railways has a more accurate version of the story. As an example the two short lines described as being the only true Circle Lines were in fact in use by the Met & District as early as 1874: trains of both Railways used the Circle to get to New Cross, although using the north and south routes respectively. My four references say nothing about "Inner Circuit" ... reference for that? I feel that the piece I have now put under "trivia" is just that: a fad which even now might not be be happening? And lastly: the term "Circle Line" is just a name thought up by PR people: the article read as if it only came into being in 1947 on the map and 1949 in so many words. My mother, who lived in London in the 1920s, was quite confident about using the term! Peter Shearan 18:02, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 July 7, 2005 2 Circle Line re-organisation 3 Inner Circle Line film 4 "Short" or "shot"? 5 It is often referred to as a "virtual line"

[edit] July 7, 2005

New details out today (BBC News) show that the tube bombs exploded at approx 8.50/8.51, all 3 within 50 seconds of each other. I'm not entirely sure how to rewrite that section of the article to include the updated information (not sure as to orderings, etc.) - does someone else want to tidy that? --Ed

[edit] Circle Line re-organisation

I remember a few years ago seeing a diagram of a LU proposal to "break" the Circle Line in order to improve reliability. The current continuous loop operation has serious implications in terms of delays with a devastating effect on patterns of service. Their proposal was to run the Circle Line as a spiral instead, using Hammersmith and Edgware Road as termini, so the route would be Hammersmith-Edgware Road-Aldgate-Mansion House-Victoria-Edgware Road (main waypoints) and likewise in reverse. The benefit of this would be having terminal points to 'store' trains in the event of a disruption in service (like the bombs of 7/7/05, for example), however this would likely see the end of the current District Line service from Wimbledon/Olympia being able to terminate at Edgware Road, as obviously the two platforms currently used by terminating trains would be needed for terminating "Circle" trains. One would assume that the District Line between Earl's Court and High Street Kensington would need to be retained, obviously using High St Ken as a terminus (it has two platforms for terminating trains), as is the case at present with the Olympia shuttle, but with enhanced frequency, i.e. curtailing Wimbledon/Putney Bridge-Edgware Road services at High St Ken.

Furthermore, the Hammersmith and City Line would also cease to exist if this plan were to be implemented, and I would imagine it would be replaced by a Wimbledon/Olympia to Barking service via Edgware Road, as I think was suggested in the said plans for the Circle Line. Given the use of two different rolling stocks on the District Line, this would probably lead to the separation of the District Line into two lines (as happened to the Metropolitan when the H&C line was created) between C-stock and D-stock services. D-Stock would remain as District Line, and C-stock becoming a "Wimbledon & City Line" (via Edgware Road), replacing the District Line Wimbledon/Olympia-Edgware Road and the H&C Line Edgware Road-Barking.

superbfc 22:05, 22 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Wouldn't that first bit result in a horrific bottleneck between Praed St Junction and Edgware Road, esp. with all "Circle" trains crossing the flat junction at Praed St towards Hammersmith? Willkm 22:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

No more so than as present, if one considers that this arrangement would REPLACE Hammersmith & City Line services, not duplicate them. superbfc 22:33, 22 Jan 2006 (GMT)

Mm, see what you mean now. Sounds like a good idea from the operations side of things; from the passengers' perspective it's probably too complicated, although I suppose not much more than it is now.. (I'm thinking confusion at Edgware Road.. I came across some lost Spanish tourists there the other day who found the system there complicated enough as it is..) Willkm 00:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Further to my comments above, it now transpires the Eastern end of the H&C would be replaced by Metropolitan through services from Uxbridge to Barking, requiring engineering work east of Aldgate to alter the strutcure gauge to accommodate Metropolitan rolling stock. (see http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/SSL%20PPP%20Upgrade.htm.) Superbfc 17:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inner Circle Line film

I just saw a movie on the International Film Festival Rotterdam with the title "Inner Circle Line". It's an corean movie and there seems to be a subway line called "inner circle line" in Seoul as well. The movies homepage is http://www.innercircleline.com/ - cgaffga 21:30, 03 Feb 2006 (GMT)

[edit] "Short" or "shot"?

The text currently reads:

A popular pub crawl, the Circle Line Pub Crawl aims to visit each of the Circle Line tube stations in turn, drinking a half pint or short in a pub near to each.

Should that read "or shot"?

Atlant 16:51, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

No - a short is en-GB for what Americans would call a shot. --Mike 15:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Atlant 16:50, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure? I've lived in the UK all my life, and I've never ever come across the term short as opposed to shot. Is it possibly a southern thing? CJW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.46.102 (talk • contribs)

Whisky, vodka, schnapps and other spirits drunk by the "single", "double" etc. measures, have always in my life been called "shorts"; they are usually drunk out of a normal sized glass or tumbler. A shot however, is drunk out of a shot glass and AFAIK is not measured.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Michaelyoung83 (talk • contribs)

As a former barman, I can confirm that even if served in a shot glass, all drinks must be measured. Single or shot are the most common terms of references I encountered; the latter for a serving in a shot glass, i.e. Sambuca, Schnapps, Vodka or Aftershock, and the former for a Whisky, Brandy, etc. in a tumbler. I think shot is commonly-used enough in the UK to be accepted here. I think short is perhaps an antiquated term.

— superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 11:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Compromise - a short is a descriptive term given to any form of drink that can be consumed in one go and/or is a small measure. A shot is merely a type of short. I'm 23 and I use short all the time... as in "are you on the shorts tonight?"

[edit] It is often referred to as a "virtual line"

I was suprised by the statement It is often referred to as a "virtual line" in the lead. Is the term widely used? I've never heard it refered to in that way. --Salix alba (talk) 09:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The concept is valid but it certainly is not "often referred to". I have reworded it. --DanielRigal 13:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC)