Talk:Christine Chubbuck

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Contents 1 Appropriate? 2 Bad editing 3 Birthplace 4 Hollow point Bullets 5 First name basis? 6 Personal information 7 9-1-1 8 Quote from brother to E! 9 Recorded? 10 Video of suicide 11 Word play and puns

[edit] Appropriate?

seems almost cruel to put the Spouse:None label under her picture...

Thank you, removed it. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 19:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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"The techical director of the broadcast had seen her pull out the gun, and somehow reacted quickly enough to cut the video to black a split-second before she pulled the trigger. But the sound of the gunshot was clearly audible to viewers."

The above was added by StanislavJ -- where did that information come from??? I've read everything I could find about Ms. Chubbuck and nowhere did it say anything like that.

Also, what happened to the picture of her????

It was deleted because it was under copyright. If you can find one that isn't, though, please add it --Clngre 00:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

While reading some Cuban history, I discovered that there is a precedent for this kind of public suicide, although this one occurred on the radio. I quote from "Fidel: A Critical Portrait" by Tad Szulc:

"On the evening of Sunday, August 5, 1951, Senator Eduardo Chibas shot himself in the abdomen during his weekly radio program, attempting to commit public suicide and changing the course of Cuban history when he died eleven days later".

[edit] Bad editing

"She then shot herself. While the technical director reacted quickly enough to cut the on-air video to black a split-second before she pulled the trigger, a Washington Post journalist later recounted viewing the continued footage on the line feed. However, there is evidence to the contrary."

AAARRRRGH!! I can't stand paragraphs like this. Please, everyone, if you know something is incorrect, change the information, and preferably (certainly in this case) back it up with some kind of citation. If you can't find citation to back up "your" version, simply leave it alone, but the one thing you definitely shouldn't do is have a conversation with the article. It drives me utterly nuts when an article makes a claim in one direction and then immediately follows it with "However, some say that is not the case, though." This is an encyclopedia, not a message board. I'm going to do some intensive Google research and try to fix this paragraph, but in the meantime, if anyone actually knows the extent to which the suicide went over airwaves, and has citation to back up their assertion, please rescue this article. MrBook 20:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Bad editing resolved - though the existance of the video still remains unproven. At least we now have a link to a PFD of the article. Rklawton 00:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Nice. It's looking good now. Nothing wrong with ambiguity, if that's the actual state of what's known about the case. It's the contradiction within the same paragraph that was driving me nuts. Apologies for the outburst. MrBook 13:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

No worries. At least someone got a start on the article. Do we have some sort of tag people can use that would group articles into a "copyedit please" list? Some folks do great research; some folks write well; and we should try to pair them up... kinda like pairing up people who talk to themselves (at least they give the appearance of having a conversation). Rklawton 15:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Good question. The closest thing I can think of is the Cleanup tag, although that's used more for general article crumminess than for word trouble specifically. There might be an area like you're talking about, but I tend to get lost in the parts of this site out of normal article namespace, so I dunno. Anyone? Anyone? MrBook 18:10, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

MrBook what do you have against posting things like "a Washington Post journalist later recounted viewing the continued footage on the line feed. However, there is evidence to the contrary."? It shows that some say one thing while evidence points to another posibility, and is valid.

[edit] Birthplace

I removed the reference to Chubbuck's birthplace, as the edit had created an orphan sentence fragment at the beginning of the article. The information is probably worth mentioning in the article, but I couldn't find a place to put it when I fixed the fragment. If anybody can figure out how to re-add the info without making the first sentence unfinished or otherwise awkward, please do. Here's what I changed it (back) from:

Christine Chubbuck (also named "Chris Hubbock" by some sources) (August 24, 1944 – July 15, 1974).

Born in Hudson, Ohio, Chubbuck was an American television news reporter who committed suicide during a live television broadcast.

MrBook 18:58, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

FixedRklawton 15:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hollow point Bullets

I am taking out the bit saying that hollow points fragment on impact, which they dont, and replacing it with the correct function of hollow point ammo, greater expansion than other bullets = greater damage. Craig Humphreys, Not a member.

[edit] First name basis?

The article referred to its subject by her first name in far too many instances. This is not how things should be done in an encyclopedia, where we are trying to write articles, not letters to friends about other friends. I have left her first name in cases where two women are referred to in the same sentence and "she" would be ambigious and where the last name would appear twice or more in one sentence, but that's about it. Rlquall 13:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal information

It can be discovered that her brother Tim is an interior decorator, yes - likewise I recently spoke to her other brother Greg, who runs Chubbuck Oil - but neither of these facts are relevant to the article, and I'm going to remove mention of Tim's current-day profession from the article in the interests of privacy. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 04:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Her brother Tim was an interior decorator, but he died in 1987. There is an obituary in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. No reason his profession needs to be in there, go ahead and get rid of it. - Anonymous updater from the 17th.

Thanks for the updates, they did add some interesting new information to the article - any chance you have online sources that 'verify' the updates at all that we can insert as references? :) Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 09:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I can get a citation for the Valerie Rubin article and the article mentioning the forestry award; I have them available. I see the Rubin mention is gone, now, though, and a number of sentences have been reverted since last night. The Cronkite note is gone as well. The remainder of the extant "citation needed"'s are all from telephone interviews with former WXLT employees. I'm not sure about putting their names in here. Jean Reed, for example, passed away 3 years ago, so that's fine. Is there another way to cite interviews without names? - Anon.

Well the trouble is dodging the WP:NOR guidelines, since "technically" interviews you delivered yourself shouldn't be included unless you have them published somewhere - but I imagine on a non-controversial article like this, we can bend the lines a little bit. The forestry award article would be a great place to start, you don't need to even have the source online, if you can just say "New York Times, December 11th, 1984" or something, that works as well :) The one statement that seemed contradictory was that she had "had serious relationships before" - since it was my understanding she had "never been on more than two dates with a man" - any help clearing this up? Thanks. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 11:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I finally cleared things up with those article references, and, just now, with a reference to the source on the "more than one date." - Anon. 1/9/07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.46.6.69 (talk) 03:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC).

I'm a little confused by the reference to an E! show that apparently doesn't air for another six weeks? Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 03:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I worked on it and put the citation in early because I know the content of the finished program as well as the research materials collected for it. - continued anonymous

Sorry...we can't use it. It's original research as it hasn't been broadcast yet, and it also violates the copyright to write about it before it is shown. See 24 (season 6) for a major war that erupted over people adding in plot summaries for episodes that hadn't aired yet. Hbdragon88 07:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 9-1-1

• Was the 9-1-1 line avaialble there in 1974? Or did viewers simply call the operator and ask for the police/emergency authorities, or dial the police/emergency authorities directly? Sir Rhosis 16:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

• I wondered that, too. I looked at WIki's 9-1-1 page (sorely lacking in sources), and according to it 9-1-1 was first implemented in 1968. It may or may not have been available in FLA in 1974. The problem with newspaper sources is that they are difficult (or expensive) for Wikipedians to review. Cap'n Walker 15:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I moved to St. Petersburg, which is near Sarasota, in 1976 and they were just starting to roll out 9-1-1, so maybe the article is in error?? Mdell27 12:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quote from brother to E!

I can't figure out what this sentence means:

He described her presenting herself as "dateless" to her ongoing depressive self-deprecation.

Since I haven't seen the program, can someone else interpret who or what she presented herself as "dateless" to?

It's confusing wording, I'll try to fix. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 19:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recorded?

has a recording of the televised suicide been released to the public? NorthernThunder 22:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Video of suicide

Can someone add a link to a video of her suicide? I would like to see it, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.183.219 (talk) 06:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

There is no video. From what I've read, the police seized it as evidence and the family later had it destroyed to keep it from being seen publicly. Pinkadelica 07:31, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Word play and puns

The last sentence in the Depression section is "She was fond of word play and puns." That seems so random to me. Perhaps, if it is important at all to be mentioned here, it should be incorporated into the biography section? WDavis1911 (talk) 06:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)