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Contents 1 Should Charles Widmore have his own page? 2 Way too many characters on Off-Island characters !!! 3 Keamy get his own page? 4 Christian Shephard 5 Vandalism 6 Day counting in descriptions 7 Chucky Widmore 8 Should Richard get his own article? 9 "Aaron" in the main characters? 10 Minor, minor characters

[edit] Should Charles Widmore have his own page?

It seems like, at this point anyway, he's being built up as the "big bad" on LOST, not to mention he has appeared several times now. Coupled with the fact that there's probably enough information from all the Desmond flashbacks, on the island with the boat people, and the Ben flashforward, it seems like he deserves to be bumped up at this point, as I can only imagine his role is going to get bigger. Alotofsparetime (talk) 10:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Did the actor give any interviews about his role? -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah (there is at least one from IGN), but let's wait a bit more before giving him his own article. –thedemonhog talk • edits 16:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

He is not even in the main cast! -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Being a main cast member or doing interviews are not the only guidelines for notability. I agree with thedemonhog, he has not been on the show enough to have his own article, but it's a possiblity in the future. Jackieboy87 (talk) 16:37, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I second that. Tphi (talk) 00:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Why should that matter that he is not in the main cast? Alex, Rousseau, Tom, Rose, and Bernard aren't part of the main cast, but they still have their own articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.84.21 (talk) 03:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

He most definitely should have his own page. Charles Widmore seems to pretty much be the antagonist for the entire series. He is involved in just about everything that his going on and it's his team that is on the Island trying to massacre everyone. He IS main cast whether he is listed as it or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.186.148.51 (talk) 04:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Well he's not "main cast" unless you see his name in the credits of the show as such. However he may currently appear, there isn't enough information in his current section to warrant a new article. If it was expanded and shown to be needing of its own page, then maybe it'd be different. Tphi (talk) 04:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps, that is the way forward. Editors could add information to his section of this article (particularly "real world" information like the actor's interview and any devlopment notes we can find). Then an argument to split out the information based on WP:SIZE can be made. Ursasapien (talk) 05:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd wait until the season is over just to be safe, but yeah, he should get his own article eventually.--CyberGhostface (talk) 16:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Let me remind you that in Talk:Others (Lost) people voted that some character called "Richard" who appeared in 3-4 episodes should take his own page since he seemed important. I agree with Ursasapien in the way we have to create separate articles. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

As he seems to be Ben's nemesis then I think he does deserve a page. His character has featured a fair amount now. I'd also like to point out that if you are a real fan of Lost, you' realise that 'some character called "Richard"' is actually quite a significant character as he now appears to time travel or not age, potentially worked for Dharma and now appears to be an Other.Paullloydjohnson (talk) 10:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Widmore needs his own page as well as Richard and Lapidus. Widmore is now the main antagonist of the LOST universe, is guaranteed to appear again, and was mentioned in nearly every episode last season, so it seems that he has deserved the right to have a page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.85.107 (talk) 23:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree about Charles Widmore and Frank Lapidus, both of whom were frequent and major players this season. I'd also add Penelope to the mix. Richard, I'm somewhat ambivalent about since we've only had a couple of appearances, though I wouldn't oppose an article. --T smitts (talk) 03:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

These characters have no off-show influence. I would add "Bernard" to the list of articles that should be merged. I think we need a serious cleanup and have separate articles only for the main characters. I really don't understand what can be written for "Lapidus" and "Windmore" which is not just rearranging the plot and putting in very detail. I doubt that the actor portraying "Lapidus" gave any interview that it is worth mentioning. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Way too many characters on Off-Island characters !!!

Why are Jae Lee, Yemi, Diane, and Helen on the recurring characters and not "other recurring off-island characters. They have had little impact on the overall plot and it strongly seems that their storylines have been wrapped up and will never or rarely be mentioned again. Yemi and Helen haven't been mentioned since Season's 3 and 2. Cassidy and Sarah have potential to return and Nadia is an obvious important player right now in Sayid's life off of the Island and is slated to appear again. Overall, it just dilutes the overall article, since those characters have no where near the importance of the Widmores, Christian, and Abaddon. (signed by someone who doesn't know his screen name).

Couldn't disagree more. All the characters you have mentioned have had profound impacts on the overall plot, in that they've all influenced a main character on the island. Most in the sense that they are responsible for the main characters being on the island. The fact that they may not be mentioned anymore isn't relevant - they are still very important to the overall story. Tool2Die4 (talk) 13:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you please tell me how do you believe this article can be cleaned-up? Most of the descriptions are not character profiles but small plot summaries. Moreover, most of them contain in-universe point of view. What exactly is "day 68" for example?? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I am assuming you are responding directly to me. I agree that the 'day 68' type references could be reworked. Can you give me an example of a description that you think needs re-written, so I better understand where you are coming from? Tool2Die4 (talk) 13:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

"Matthew Abaddon" and "Yemmi" have really long descriptions. The latter also has sentences like "Eco pays him a visit" etc. etc. I would prefer shorter descriptions. For major characters because everything can be found in their articles and for minor because more is not needed to be written. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Keamy get his own page?

He seems to be quite an important character, he has killed quite a few prominent characters and looks to be the main bad guy this season. I suggest he gets his own page, he's at least on par with Ethan when it comes to bad guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CharismaInjection (talk • contribs) 08:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Check the discussion about Charles Windmore, who already had appeared more in the show. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you still want a page for Keamy? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

He may be dead, but Ethan has been dead since Series 1 after fewer appearances and still has a page. -- CharismaInjection (talk) 18.26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but Ethan is more memorable because he appeared over three seasons and was the first Other introduced. If Keamy is going to get his own article, let's make it a decent article. Take the time to compile information from interview so that there is a real-world perspective and the page does not get a notability disputed tag. I can do this, but not for at least a few days because I am really busy right now in real life. –thedemonhog talk • edits 17:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Shephard

Presumably he should be moved out of 'off island characters' now that he's been spotted numerous times ON the island... Seems to be more than just an apparition to me. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 01:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

The writer-producers have confirmed that he died off-island so I support his current classification. –thedemonhog talk • edits 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Clearly in a show like this, the line between dead and alive is very blurred. I would have thought it would be more about the prominence and significance of his role on the island. As of the latest episode, I would say he's possibly developing as a far more important character on the island than off, but perhaps we'll have to wait and see. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

We have to quit this kind of separation of the characters and move to a non in-universe way of presentation. Main characters, supporting characters, etc. With this system Keamy is on the island or off the island? Charlie? -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Some of the descriptions for characters have been altered. For example "A former cock police officer, Ana Lucia is the leader of the survivors of the tail section of Flight 815 and guides them to the relative safety of the fuselage survivors. She is shot and killed by Leonardo Da Vinci." is the description for Ana Lucia. I'm rusty on some knowledge, could someone with more Lost knowledge correct these? For the most part it seems words were simply changed and I know I'll get things wrong if I try and fix them. --Burrard (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Day counting in descriptions

I think that describing when an event happens using "days after the crash" system is completely fancraft. The correct is to state in which episode that happens. Moreover, for those who watched the last two episodes it's clear that time references in this TV series is a funny thing. For example, the doctor first found dead and then died. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chucky Widmore

This might help:

People are always asking me what the secret is behind Lost - especially as my character seems to be pulling all the strings. But I know as much as anyone else. When I did my first scene I had no idea about the character, and then I didn't see it when it was aired. Next thing I know, my publicist is screaming down the phone, 'You're the one behind it all; you're the one behind the island!'

"Isn't that Jim from Neighbours?", Daily Mail; Weekend, Northcliffe House, London, UK: Associated Newspapers Ltd, 2008-05-10, p. 33. Retrieved on 2008-05-10. 

Sceptre ^(talk) 14:30, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Should Richard get his own article?

If Ethan has one, then Richard certainly should. He'll have 10 episodes before the end of the season, and that should be plenty. We also have alot of information on him, and he will be a very important character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.15.170 (talk) 05:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

He did have his own article, but it was deleted. Not much has happened with his character since then so we should wait until there is significantly more info before trying again. Jackieboy87 (talk) 05:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

We have found out about him and Locke's history, but I agree that we should wait at least until the end of the finale to do it. This is just more of a heads up that he's going to need one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.15.170 (talk) 05:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Bear in mind that the claim about Richard Alpert being ageless may be false, given that we now know that The Others were in possession of a time machine. Somestrangeflea (talk) 11:04, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe this season has proven that the Others have very little control over time. They may be able to travel through time, but they aren't able to control when they land. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.85.107 (talk) 23:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Aaron" in the main characters?

"Aaron" is not a main character. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Agree! –thedemonhog talk • edits 23:12, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

He's not a main character, but he's still part of the Oceanic Six. So either we re-organize the list or leave him there. I'm sure during the cleanup this summer we'll figure something out. Jackieboy87 (talk) 06:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I have to agree with Jack here. It may not be a bad idea to revisit this article during the off-season and find consensus on reorganizing the whole thing. Ursasapien (talk) 06:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. In fact I just wanted to make a point. I am not suggesting moving the character right now. I just want to explain the contradictions of today's sections. I agree that it's better we wait until season's finale. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Why do we have an Oceanic Six section? This term didn't even exist before season 4 and although the list contains main characters, it also leaves out main characters too.78.151.132.21 (talk) 09:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Season 4 is over. I think now is the best time to switch to the main/recurring/minor characters separation. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Minor, minor characters

here are some other least (so far) significant characters - greta and bonnie (looking glass), colleen pickett (danny;s wife), harper (goodwin's wife), isabel (sheriff), aldo, ivan, jason, luke, matthew, ryan price (others that died during the raid), kelvin joe inman (desmond's roommate), clementine (sawyer's daughter) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.50.216.104 (talk) 03:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

We actually used to have those characters on this page, but it was decided that they should be removed because they are not important enough and we do not want this page to get too long by listing every minor character. Thanks anyway, –thedemonhog talk • edits 03:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I think "Rachel Blake" should be removed from the list. A character that appears only in Lost experience. We can mention it there. It is not part of the regular show. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah good, I was meaning to start a discussion on this topic. Now we've reached the end of the season, who agrees we can safely shorten the list to get rid of Omar, Regina, Doc Ray and Capt. Gault? Possibly Minkowski too, but I'm willing to let him slide. Their contribution to the overall story of Lost is negligible, and I move for them going the same way as Colleen and Ryan. Who's with me?

Oh, and I would also second the move for Rachel Blake, since Gary Troup is in the Lost Experience bit already and fits in well. Tphi (talk) 11:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I support the removal of Omar, Regina, Doc Ray and Capt. Gault. -- Magioladitis (talk)

After doing some major cleanup, those characters pretty much have no info, so we should probably vote or something to remove them. Jackieboy87 (talk) 18:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

You are already expressing our opinion, if they are no objections we can go and delete them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

"Annie" can go as well. The character appears in only one episode! -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

According to the commentary, Annie is pretty important, and Michael Emerson is expecting that we're going to learn more about her in the future.--CyberGhostface (talk) 20:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I've removed Ray, Regina, Omar and Gault, but Annie, at this moment, seems to be important per CyberGhostface's reasons. Jackieboy87 (talk) 16:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

"Adam Rutherford" should completely removed from the list. It appeared for some seconds two times. The character is not even credited! -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)