Talk:Catholic Church and ecumenism

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This section, moved from the Roman Catholic Church article, really needs room to breathe. Sections to be added:

• Ut Unim Sint material
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• Interfaith material inclucing relations with the Jewish people
• World Day of Prayer events at Assisi, Italy

Contents 1 Picture 2 Catholic 3 The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans 4 Beloved Sister Church 5 Recent meetings 6 Armenian Catholicos Visits Rome

[edit] Picture

I have replaced the picture of the Pope and Patriarch with the most recent one from the papal visit to the Ecumenical Patriarchate. In the previous picture, it was not Bertholomew, as far as i can see. Hectorian 20:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Catholic

The Catholic Church does not use the term Catholic to describe other churches. It recognizes apostolic succession or doesnt. Whether a church is 'catholic' or not is an Anglican preoccupation based on the Anglo-Catholic/evangelical controversies. As the sentence describes a judgment of the Catholic Church, it is inaccurate and needs to be removed.129.74.228.121 16:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans

Chapter IV.-Beware of These Heretics.
I give you these instructions, beloved, assured that ye also hold the same opinions [as I do]. But I guard you beforehand from those beasts in the shape of men, whom you must not only not receive, but, if it be possible, not even meet with; only you must pray to God for them, if by any means they may be brought to repentance, which, however, will be very difficult. Yet Jesus Christ, who is our true life, has the power of [effecting] this. But if these things were done by our Lord only in appearance, then am I also only in appearance bound. And why have I also surrendered myself to death, to fire, to the sword, to the wild beasts? But, [in fact, ] he who is near to the sword is near to God; he that is among the wild beasts is in company with God; provided only he be so m the name of Jesus Christ. I undergo all these things that I may suffer together with Him,29 He who became a perfect man inwardly strengthening me.

I've just read this text of Inatious, and could not conciliate it with the catholic ecumenism. Could any catholic friend give some insight? Thanks. []'s —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mauro do Carmo (talk • contribs) 02:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

HHMMM It seems to me that there is only one reason to mentions this. Now we all know what that is. In case you don't then I will explain. Only an enemy of Christ and his Church would mention this because he thinks that it will hurt the Chruch's image and reputaion with others not in the Church and cause some who are in the Church to leave and thus suffer consequenses that those of us in the Church believe that they will suffer. Therefore it is clear that by mention of the quote above, the person quoting would not in any context truely want an explanation or any dialog but would instead enter into any such discussion with ill will and mal intent. Thus I for one find myself feeling that taking the advice of the quote may actually be the simplist course of action so that I am not needlessly bothered by such a person and instead leave then to the help of Christ.--Billiot 17:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beloved Sister Church

As the text mentions, I suspect that the present regime at the Vatican is uncomfortable about Pope Paul VI's description of the Anglican Church. In addition I'm aware that of late high ranking elements in the RC Church have declared that the Anglican church, along with other Protestant denominations, is not a church at all but a mere "ecclesial community". But I am not sure how official this line is, not where it came from. I have a feeling that it might be a statement of the (hard line) former Cardinal Ratzinger. Can anyone help on this? Millbanks 07:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Today, it is confirmed, Protestants belong to ecclesial bodies, not churches. The Anglican ecclesial bodies are not churches in the eyes of the Catholic Church as they do not have valid orders. Perhaps there may have been a re-visit of the question of Anglican order if they had not rushed to ordain woman, approve abortion and bless same-sex marriages.129.74.165.187 23:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent meetings

There has been a lot of news recently about the meeting between the orthodox and the Catholic in Italy. I read one article that said the pope called it a great step forward. There seems to be some issue about the use of the word Protos for the Pope. There is another issue about the Russian delegation walking out, not because of an arguement with the Vatican but because of an internal arguement among the orthodox. The article said something about the Church of Estonia. The Pope wants to call an extra ordinary council of all cardinals to look over the agreements reached that will be held on Nov. 23. At any rate, this all seem like a big deal, it is all over the news and it seems to me that someone should get some facts and put something about it here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.127.251.137 (talk) 06:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Catholicos Visits Rome

I got some news that the Patriarch Catholicos of Armenia visited Rome and there were reports of "great progress" on issues that concern the reunion of the Churches. I do not know how this affects the Armenian Catholic Church but seeing as how the Armenian Apostolic Church and the Armenian Catholic Church were never the same Church, they are not in schism with each other and everything should be ok, except for the Armenian See of Cilicia, which formed from break away bishops who renounced the decision by their Church leadership to rejoin Rome and establish the Armenian Catholic Church. This See of Cilicia is in communion with the Armenian Apostolic Church but there are tentions. I can not predict how this all is effected of course.

At any rate, big meeting between the Pope and the Catholicos. Reports of "great progress" and something about a preposition in a Christological statement that I don't understand very well. I got the info from the Vatican Information Service. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.47.45.197 (talk) 13:05, 27 May 2008 (UTC)