Talk:Cadfael
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[edit] How does one pronounce the good brother's name?
It would be great if someone could provide information about the proper way to pronounce the Welsh name Cadfael. I've heard both "Cadvael", "Cavael", and "Cafael". --Oz1cz 7 July 2005 06:34 (UTC)
- A "Books on tape" series that I was listening to was read by a speaker who seemed to speak appropriately Welsh-accented English. His pronounciation was distinctly "CAD-fay-el". (Not quit "fail", but very close to that as well.)
- By comparison, everyone on the TV series seems to pronounce it "CAD-file".
- Atlant 7 July 2005 11:35 (UTC)
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- In Welsh, "f" is pronounced as "v" is pronounced in English.
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- Whether the "ael" is one syllable or two probably just depends on how quickly you say the word, so it would be "Cad-vi-el" if pronounced carefully, or "Cad-vile" if said quickly.
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- Gary Barnes, Shrewsbury 23 November 2005
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- Pronunciation added. garik 17:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Latin pronunciation
The pronunciation of Cadfael as CAD-file is in line with classical Latin pronuncation.
- What makes you think the name's supposed to be Latin? garik 16:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- It isn't, it's Welsh, pronounced CAD-vy-el.
[edit] Full Name?
I'm not sure it's correct to state that "his full name is Cadfael ap (son of) Meilyr ap Dafydd". I believe the only name he has is Cadfael -- the other names are the names of his paternal ancestors. He would use them in identifying himself (and, if necessary, he could probably go back several more generations) but I don't think they were on a par with what we would now consider a surname. It's a small matter, certainly, but I thought it was worth at least a note on the talk page.
Ellis Peters makes several references to origins of surnames as occupations (Courvoiser, Aurifaber) or patronyms (FitzRobert). I think she was reminding us that this was a time when many, if not most, people only had a single name and it was usual to distinguish one "John" from another by adding some distinctive identifier. True surnames came later. Of course many surnames were created from these identifiers -- trades such as, Baker, Smith, Wright, etc.; places such as Lincoln or Greenwood; and many variations of "son of" -- Anderson, MacDonald, Bin Laden, etc. But it was just plain Cadfael.--andersonpd 20:45, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Spoilers in the Article?
In this article there is talk of euthanasia in "The Rose Rent." First of all, having just finished the book, I haven't found any of that in it. Maybe it was the TV series?
Second, it might be nice to avoid these spoilers. I stumbled on this page being ill and having been given a couple of Cadfael novels to bide the time. Finding it nice to have a map of the area written about, I searched for one here (might be a nice addittion to this page or the Shrewsbury one), and arrrgh, found something about the book I was just reading.
- This is Wikipedia, so you know what to do: be bold! If you think this needs a spoiler tag, by all means, add one! But that brief phrase is a pretty mild spoiler.
- In answer to your specific question about Cadfael and euthanasia, I definitely remember him wrestling with the question, but I can't remember whether it was in a TV episode, a novel, or both, and a quick look through Brother Cadfael's Herb Garden (ISBN 0-8212-2387-9) doesn't jog my memory sufficiently.
- Atlant 00:09, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
- Update: Yeah, it's the first minute or so of The Rose Rent TV episode and it's Cadfael's poppy juice + hemlock. Now I'll have to go and read the novel again ;-), but I'll imagine the answer is that you're absolutely correct and it doesn't appear in the novel since Herb Garden doesn't mention it.
- Atlant 00:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bad move!
This page should not have been moved and it certainly shouldn't have been moved without discussion.
- The lede and, indeed, most of the article discusses the character, not the TV series and not the titles of the books. The character's common name is Brother Cadfael.
- Even if one were to accept the argument that the article should be named after one of the cannon works, there's no evidence that the TV series is the right choice. After all, doesn't Pargeter call the collection The Cadfael Chronicles?
I think the move(s) should be undone.
Your thoughts?
Atlant 17:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Portrayal of Class
The article states: However, in none of the cases is the problem a significant difference in social status between the two. In this series, aristocratic boys always fall in love with aristocratic girls, prosperous artisans fall for the daughters of artisans, and a lowly wandering juggler is charmed beyond measure by a lowly kitchen maid. But in A Morbid Taste for Bones doesn't the Welsh heiress fall in love with the outlander? Granted, this may be an exception, since I am only at the beginning of the books. L Hamm 03:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, and just got bold on that nonsense. In St. Peter's Fair, Emma Vernold falls for Ivo Corbiere, yet it's her mercantile caste which prompts him to not treat her seriously. Sure, he's got ulterior motives (Hey, it's a mystery novel!), but, significantly, is immune to her charms. His mission, and his class, are both obstacles to their union--67.166.42.95 10:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Hugh?
A section on Hugh Beringar would be beneficial would it not?
- This is Wikipedia, so please feel free to be bold and add some information about the good sheriff.
- Atlant 23:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
