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[edit] Turbo
Should the two-of-a-kind BMW Turbo not be under the prototype list, since it was listed as an "inspiration for the M1"?Zchris87v 22:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Criticisms?
There is barely anything negative in this article. BMW is reported to have used slave labour during WW2, which is not uncommom, however they failed to compensate the slaves even to this day. Speculation, but should be researched.
There is barely anything negative in this article. Is there a requisite amount of negativism required for a good article?
Speculation, but should be researched. I nominate you for the task. --BAW (talk) 23:41, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] External Link
Hi i have currently made a new exotic car site here. I was wanting to add the relevant pages to relevant wiki pages and wondering if thats ok to do so? Please let me know.
Thanks
Richard Richard300187 16:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard300187 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC).
Your link doesn't work
DineshAdv (talk) 21:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] External Link
Does anyone see any value in adding links to satellite images of the company's headquarters. You can get a very good view of the company's 4 cylinder headquarters building and museum.
- BMW is at coordinates Coordinates:
- Pretty cool view!!! Please add if possible. Cantor575 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:11, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Opening par
The opening paragraph of this article looks absolutely like no other I've ever seen on Wikipedia. In my opinion it looks a mess and doesn't seem to comply with WP:MS It's not exactly easy to read and practically everything is Wikilinked. Escaper7 16:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- Thankyou for pointing that out. I've taken the liberty of stripping out most of the extra formatting, including the audio, leaving something that looks half reasonable. TomRawlinson 21:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Good work, vast improvement. Escaper7 14:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] ?
under "pre WWII" the following is written after a reference: "//I would dispute this. There are extant pictures of an earlier BMW Logo which is clearly the precursor of the current logo and equally clearly shows the nose of an aircraft with a spinning propeller (RF1952)// http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/features/2004/bmw-75/03-large/1916-logo.jpg" This needs to be fixed. ? Algonquin 14:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I've got to agree. Theres a citation-less note about the logo NOT being a reference to a propeller, but instead to a logo that looks nothing like the BMW logo except that they both happen to be round. Even a recent Motor Trend had a note about that the logo inspiration does in fact come from a propeller. I'd like to at least chunk the uncited line, unless somebody wants to cite or has a reason not to… Algonquin's image is more definitive than anything else I'm seeing… Xodiaq (talk) 16:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the logo represents the colors of Bavaria. It was on National Geographic's "How it Was Made" when they were making a Z4 (don't know if thats the right show though, but it was one of them). We might need to have an actual citation about that though... Polis4rule (talk) 00:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] POV?
'The BMW Hydrogen 7 is just another example of how BMW allow's great ideas to live on to become Ultimate Driving Machines.' -- just a teensy weensy bit POV, perhaps? Also very non-encyclopedic. I'd change it, but I don't want to get dragged into a huge argument...
- Pah. I went ahead and changed it, and removed some other seemingly POV comments about the 6 series. I'm not a BMW hater (I own one) but I don't like to see fanboy advertisements on WP, especially when they're poorly spelt. 86.144.207.26 16:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
My fault. Again my apologies for having to clean up after me. By the way, its not about being a "fanboy"--just thought the article sounded too cold.(Qwazywabbit 22:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC))
[edit] BMW Production Plant in Pakistan ??
I removed a statement under 'Production outside Germany' that states BMW opened a production plant in Karachi, Pakistan in 2007. The source given (BMW Karachi facility goes on stream, The muslim) doesn't seem to be valid. Please provide valid sources to support statements made in the article. --Flexijane 16:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
- No plant in Pakistan I'm sure. Why have a plant in Pakistan when there's already one in India to cater to South Asian RHD markets (incl. Pakistan, Bangladesh etc).--Automaniaconwiki 17:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Biased
This article seems to be written with quite a bias towards the subject, does not read like an encyclopedia. eg. In the description of the 5 series, 'Condsidered the perfect blend of sport performance coupled with luxury' Seems a bit over the top for an encyclopedia if not quoting something.
- yep , there was that advertisment tag earlier, somebody removed it and added even more sama style, article needs some rewriting...--— Typ932T | C 07:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
- The whole entire "Models" section reads like an advertisement. --Bobbit bob 08:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- It seems most of it has been cleaned up. One section even stated that "The BMW Hydrogen 7 is just another example of how BMW allow's great ideas to live on to become Ultimate Driving Machines", a gramatically incorrect clearly biased sentence. However, most of this has been removed at this point I believe. Zchris87v 07:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- Wow, you were absolutely right, I couldn't believe half of what I was reading. I don't know how many times I read "formula inspired", "amazingly impressive", or other opinionated phrases - this has to be either one of the worst encyclopedic articles I have ever read, or one of the best sales pitches (just kidding). I did quite a bit of cleaning to attain the NPOV. Zchris87v 07:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
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- That was my fault. I did not realize NPOV. I have now read the guidelines and understand about editing. It was not my intention to make it read like an advertisement-I wanted to convey my thoughts about these cars. My apologies for wasting other people's time to clean up my mess. It wont happen again. (Qwazywabbit 22:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Edit as of 13:45, 13 July 2007
The edit stated that "It [BMW] is the worlds largest luxury car manufacturer." Searching for this exact phrase returns a few results [1][2], neither of which seem to have much factual backing; however, they do conflict on that topic. Until some sort of proof can be found that BMW is the "world's largest luxury car manufacturer", this sentence should be left out. In fact, I thought these were focused on performance, not luxury... Zchris87v 07:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
7 Series is a luxury model. If you consider BMW Group, Rolls-Royce also. Squash Racket 09:17, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- Even in this respect, is there any source stating that BMW is now the largest luxury car manufacturer? I was fairly sure DaimlerChrysler held that title, and many sources stated that BMW was "sneaking up" on DC. Zchris87v 21:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
BMW sold more 7s than Mercedes of its own S-class in Europe for a number of years. But that changes from time to time. And don't forget Lexus LS (luxury?), Audi A8, perhaps Infiniti etc. From BMW Group's homepage: in 2006 BMW sold 50227 units of 7 Series, I don't know about the others. Squash Racket 10:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] BMW Manufacturing Co. Spartanburg
I think this page should not be merged into BMW, cause the BMW article is about the BMW AG or BMW Group, not only BMW (a huge german car producer). Besides this fact the plant in Spartanburg provides thousands of jobs - should be relevant to have is own article ;-)
--> TH 10:00, 15 Jul 2007 (CET) <--
If you write a whole article about a BMW factory I don't know why you wouldn't write about factories larger than that. If you have articles about the German factories and you include them here the BMW page gets too long, right? The Chelsea page is already considered too long for Wikipedia standards. Squash Racket 12:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
IMHO, I think there should be a link to another complete article about manufacturing. This is one area BMW is quite emphatic about, and should have its own space to grow. The main article is long enuff. (Qwazywabbit 22:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Efficient Dynamics?
What are your thoughts on adding section for Efficient Dynamics? This is a major focus of BMW, from manufacturing facilities to the vehicles themselves. I can provide sourced documentation if necessary, as well as images.(Qwazywabbit 22:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)) Yes most important, BMW vehicles are amongst the least polluting and economical vehicles on our roads, esp when compared with its rivals
[edit] History of BMW
I have created an article History of BMW to shorten the main article. BMW has a very long and interesting history, and would clutter the main article. If there is any problem with this, feel free to revise.Qwazywabbit 13:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- One problem is, that it's not an article (yet), it's just one word. If you consider moving parts from BMW to History of BMW, you should stick with Wikipedia:Copyrights. In general it would be good to first explain what you are about to do, wait if other user reject your plans, if necessary discuss about it, and then make a new article. You should also consider to put the {{Inuse}} template into your new article.--BSI 13:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- I've been bold, and copied the history section from here to the new articleB J Bradford 14:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- oops, I didnt save the page. LOL. Bradford, ty for covering for me. BSI, thank you for the tip on the inuse template--I will use that in the futureQwazywabbit 15:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- the same section can be removed from here now, right? Where can I find that template that says --Main artcle: articlename--?-B J Bradford 00:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
- oops, I didnt save the page. LOL. Bradford, ty for covering for me. BSI, thank you for the tip on the inuse template--I will use that in the futureQwazywabbit 15:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- I've been bold, and copied the history section from here to the new articleB J Bradford 14:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] BMW Motorcycles
"It was BMW's latest attempt to keep up with the pace of development of sports machines from the likes of Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, and Suzuki." BMW is not all about performance when it comes to motorcycles. You can use a BMW as long as some cars, while most Japanese bikes can do about 20000-30000 km. Squash Racket 08:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Logo size
The logo size was originally 140px and was changed to 240px recently. I took a look at other articles (Audi, Mercedes-Benz) and chose to make the Roundel on this page 180px wide. --dinomite 14:22, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Logo Origins
Here's something to kick off the current arguments about a propeller in the logo: [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Socrates2008 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Interesting, I had not heard of the archives denying this, maybe they have a different story? Cantor575 23:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
it is impossible to make sure which version of the "origin" is correct, but it is sure the logo-colors blue & white came from bavarias flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.76.239 (talk) 17:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Off-road X3?
I know that it is marketed as an off-roader in Europe, but didn't numerous car magazines state that the X3's all-wheel drive system benefits on-raod performance, rather than off-road? Polis4rule (talk) 23:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reducing external links
I just trimmed and reorganised the external links. I tidied things and got rid of a fan site, but in particular I removed the links to BMW USA and BMW motorcycles USA. I made sure instead to point to the English language websites of BMW Automobiles International and BMW Motorrad International. This is important IMHO because the English language Wikipedia is not here for the benefit of US readers, but for anyone in any country who speaks English. The relevant BMW USA sites can still be found by clicking through the international sites as can those of UK, Canada, Australia etc. --Cheesy Mike (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Odd/Even Numbering
Under Automobiles/Current, the article states that BMW was going to odd numbers for sedans and even numbers for coupes, etc. I recall them announcing that, but they have obviously reversed that strategy with the 1-series and 3-series coupes. I am deleting that paragraph. Alanraywiki (talk) 03:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Canadian Class Action Suit
Why is the information on the class-action suit so early in the article? Looks like it was just dropped there for no reason. The-Bus (talk) 21:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] BMW Group
I tink this article should be renamed to BMW Motors, and BMW should poit to an article called BMW Group (or at least leave a link on the top of BMW pointing to BMW Group). Reason is that the BMW Group owns more than just the car manufacturing company. --Pinnecco (talk) 17:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Set Bimmers on stun
A little more on the WW1/WW2 aircraft engines would assuredly not be amiss.... Burt Campbell 01:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Rover Marque ownership
Hi, The Rover Marque was, until the sale to Ford, was property of BMW and that it was licensed for use to the Phoenix four for use on cars produced at Longbridge. Other marques also belonged to BMW, including Triumph, Mini and Riley. The P4 retain Austin, Morris and I believe Wolesly. 77.100.12.167 (talk) 05:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Introduction: Acquisitions and company history not needed
The introduction should serve as a briefing of the company. It is not necessary to include the companies acquisition of Rover and Mini in the introduction. And it certainly is not necessary to go into the models of aircraft engines they developed in the INTRO. It may be appropriate elsewhere in the article, but not in the introduction of the company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.30.222 (talk) 07:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- The introduction can describe products and developments concerning the company. It should not simply be a POV summary: "BMW has always been performance oriented. Indeed this is reflected in the company's current slogan: "The Ultimate Driving Machine." — CZmarlin (talk) 15:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] BMW E36
I would be very glad if somebody knows the answer for my question: Are the back seats of BMW E36 (3series 1991-1999) SEDAN tip-up seats? Thank you for every help! -- LYKANTROP 21:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Way too long
Especially the individual model descriptions complete with multiple pictures per model, needs trimming down, a couple of pictures of representative and influental models, and rely on the individual articles to provided the bulk of info.
Perhaps even a table would be in order?Oosh (talk) 04:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
So true, why do we have basically every BMW car currently in production in the Automobiles section. It is so OTT. Its unnecessary and pointless, we don’t do this for Ford or Renault or anyone else, so why do it here?
Each of these vehicles has their own pages, so they don't need to be here!
I will remove this unless anyone objects. Your thoughts???
DineshAdv (talk) 21:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
- I would definitely keep that, but in a shorter way. I think that there must be some overview about the cars that BMW produces-- LYKANTROP 21:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
