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Contents 1 Blue Hands and Blue Sun 2 Inspiration 3 Location of Blue Sun 4 THE logo? 蓝日, 青日 and 靑日

[edit] Blue Hands and Blue Sun

Where is it stated that the Blue Hands were employees of Blue Sun? All that is really known is that they were contractors for the Alliance (noted in the comic "Serenity").Shsilver 19:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

However, River does say "two by two, hands of blue" when tearing blue sun labels off some cans, according to another page. Though it may not be stated anywhere. Rōnin 03:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inspiration

Is it possible that Blue Sun was inspired by Black Sun? The Wookieepedian 08:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

While you're at it, don't forget the Black Sun from Snow Crash. Although that's arguably less of a corellation. Atinoda 04:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Location of Blue Sun

It is not speculation to use accepted canon to deduce the reality of the Firefly universe. It is an astronomical fact that stars have a limited 'habitable zone'. In our solar system, Mars and Venus are on the outer and inner edges of our habitable zone. With terraforming, both planets may be made habitable. In order to host a dozen worlds in stable orbits, this implies that the sun of the Firefly universe needs a habitable zone that is four times wider, which can only happen with a star that is several times more massive than our Sun. This is not speculation, this is based on astronomical facts.

Now, as for asserting that "Blue Sun" is from the color of the star of that system, what other Blue Sun would be of significant importance to be the logo and name of the biggest enterprise in said star system? It would obviously be whatever corporation performed the terraforming of the worlds of that star system. This is not speculation, this is logically consistent deduction. The name is also consistent with historical colonization enterprises like British East India, British West India Companies, Hudsons Bay Company, etc: colonization corporations have historically been named after their primary geographical area of control. Again NOT SPECULATION.

That the series is set in the 25th century and the human population got there from Earth via sub-light propulsion are canon. It thus obligates us to the astronomical fact that the star system is less than 500 light years from Earth. Again, NOT SPECULATION. Citizenposse 23:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The second paragraph is all speculation. Not that I disagree with you, but the fact is that it is speculation. No official canon source has said any of those things (to my knowledge).Atinoda 04:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

By your logic in your second paragraph, the fact that the Titanic, for instance, was part of the Red Star Line should be taken to indicate that we orbit a red star. Shsilver 19:02, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

No, because the Red Star Line was never an all-encompassing pan-solar-system industrial conglomerate, as Blue Sun is. Also, note the difference of choice of nouns: "Red Star" and "Blue Sun". If the term were "Blue Star", I'd agree with you, but the use of the term "Sun" clearly denotes a nearby stellar body with those characteristics. Furthermore, given the significant use of asian cultural referents, and Japan was the "Land of the Rising Sun" (i.e. not "star"), I think this is quite a bit more credible than you claim. User:Citizenposse69.173.98.243 00:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but it's still WP:OR. If you can find a primary or secondary source to cite, that's another story -plange 07:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I realize I'm responding to something over a year old, but I just wanted to point out the following: 1.) "Sun" is the name of our star system's main star, not "a nearby star", to the best of my knowledge, 2.) Given that many foreign countries create nonsense or semi-nonsense names in English for their products, and that Asia is one of the ones most often noted to do this (hence the slang term "Engrish"), the name could have been chosen for aesthetic reasons, either in-story or out, especially given the psychological and cultural connotations of the color (serenity, ironically, is one of the connotations, as well as constancy, sadness or loneliness, coldness, water or ice, etc., I could think of numerous meanings associated with the color that could symbolically fit, ranging from their "cold" treatment of humans, to River's tragic condition, their ubiquitousness, and the serenity/tranquility association even, given Whedon's affection for including the word just about everywhere in the series) 3.) that the "sun" shown in models of the stellar system Firefly/Serenity takes place in, shown in Serenity, have a star that appears to be a yellow one, not a blue one, and 4.) As one scientist (apparently in physics or astronomy) I brought it up with put it, the map of the stellar system shown in the Serenity Visual Companion book to the film is of a system that is either very implausiblely multistellar (it looks like it has upwards of four stars), or very likely to collapse and become uninhabitable in a relatively small (in astronomy terms, anyway) amount of time, or is really, really stylized, but one thing's for sure, it does not appear to depict a blue star at all. In point of fact, given the implausible-looking systems depicted, the "speed of plot" distances between planets, the fact that the "moons" and "planets", even those ostensibly "little" or "huge", all have horizons the same proportions as Earth's, and the fact that the star maps look like they're depicting an extremely implausible multi-star system that is ostensibly one human lifetime's supposedly sub-light speed travel away from Earth, and you have basically the clear effects of Joss Whedon not really paying much attention to the overall astronomy of the series. Which means it's entirely possible that yes, it should be a blue star, but Whedon didn't know enough or care enough to make it so (although I should note, you're ignoring the possibility of multiple planets existing in the same orbit on opposite sides of the star, or the potentiality of it being a multistellar system, or the fact that it's all terraformed, to varying degrees of success and effort, and that it's all technology several centuries ahead of our own current tech). Now, my reasoning's about as solid as yours, here. There are plenty of things that can be extrapolated and interpreted from little things in the series, but for every thing you can count in favor of the "Blue Sun is symbolic of the fact that they have totally got to have a blue sun at the center of the system in Firefly" theory, there's one or more things that could be interpreted as discounting it. So, yeah. It's interesting, it's intriguing, but it's very much OR if you alone put it in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.235.60.11 (talk) 18:19, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] THE logo? 蓝日, 青日 and 靑日

There seems to be a humorous situation going on with regards to the logo. According to the image in this article, the logo reads "蓝日", which correctly means "blue sun". Another fan page I saw used "青日", also "blue sun". At least one place in the series (Jayne's shirt?) uses "靑日", which is the same word but with a variant character. So are these used interchangeably or what? Rōnin 03:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

According to Babelfish and Google, both symbols mean blue. Does anybody have a good source for exactly what shade of blue each implies? —MJBurrage • TALK • 00:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

青 is a word that can mean either "blue" or "green"; according to my native Chinese parents 靑 is just a stylistic variant of 青. 蓝 means "blue", only. From the intro of Blue-green across cultures: "Chinese has a word 青 qīng that can refer to both [blue and green], though it also has separate words for blue (蓝 / 藍, lán) and green (绿 / 綠, lǜ)." --Pentasyllabic 02:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)