Talk:Black-hooded Parakeet

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. JPG-GR (talk) 21:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Some bird pages are reaching GA and FA status with common names and not by following the strict WP:bird rules (see Blackbird and House Martin). As this bird is known by most people as the "Nanday Conure" there seems to be no reason for "Black-hooded Parakeet" to be used, now that WP:bird rules are being used less strictly. Snowman (talk) 23:50, 3 March 2008

In my experience, birders are more likely to refer to the bird as the "Black-hooded Parakeet" while pet bird owners are more likely to refer to the bird as the "Nanday Conure". Neitherday (talk) 01:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess that is true, and it is known throughout aviculture as the Nanday Conure. Snowman (talk) 10:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose per reasoning at Talk:Red-masked Parakeet. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC) No longer gpoing to oppose per my comments at WP:BIRD. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Support per nom. A Google search seems to bear this out 278 hits for "Black-hooded Parakeet" vs. 767 hits for "Nanday Conure". --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Even if Google was always an accurate measure of how commonly used a term was, the most commonly used term is not always the most encyclopedic term. For instance, Prince Henry of Wales is more commonly used than "Prince Harry". On Google there are over 15 times as many hits for "Prince Harry" than for "Prince Henry"; however the title of his Wikipedia article is "Prince Henry of Wales", which is as it should be. Neitherday (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

But it is more widely known as a conure. Snowman (talk) 10:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

For the record, I would probably support a move of Prince Henry of Wales to Prince Harry (or similar) if one were proposed. I think that the use of common names is a good thing. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

In the US, perhaps, but here in the UK the word is practically unknown. I've heard it because I'm interested in birds, but I almost certainly wouldn't have otherwise. Conures are termed parakeets in 99% of cases here. Black Kite 16:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Oppose see my comments above. Neitherday (talk) 23:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. I think Wikipedia should stick with the names used in science. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 06:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Featured articles like "House Martin" and "Blackbird" use the common names of the birds, so I do not follow your reasoning. It is because few people use the "official" names "Common House Martin" and "Eurasian Blackbird" in their English speaking ranges, and similarly most people know this parrot as a conure. Snowman (talk) 17:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

(Morally) support - more ghits on 'Conure', plus more is a exacting epithet than the general 'parakeet'. I'd still love to know why the anti-conure sentiment from the AOU...Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose - WP:ENGVAR issue. Black Kite 11:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• It is about using a commonly used name. Snowman (talk) 14:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Erm...huh? I don't follow your rationale BK...can you please explain? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Whilst both "parakeet" and "conure" are used interchangeably in different fields in the States, the former is almost universal in many other English-speaking countries. Try and search for "conure" in a British context, for example - the word is practically unknown. Black Kite 16:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Indianapolis Zoo= xConure [1]

US Gov't = xParakeet [2]

Taronga Zoo (Sydney)= xConure [3]

Lotta people going every which way really...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.