Talk:Bill Tilman

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Contents 1 POV: last two paragraphs 1.1 Assessment 2 Misleading box? 3 Recent links?

[edit] POV: last two paragraphs

I like this article until the last two paragraphs. They go pretty far away from NPOV. At best, statements like these need to be explicitly sourced. Most of it should probably just go. Comments? -- Spireguy 04:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

It sounds like an obituary, and is not encylopaedic, is it? It may, however, be true. His biographies do point out these characteristics, so perhaps it could be reworded to describe his personality as seen by his fellow travellers? docboat 09:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

If his biographies do include material like this, then it could be reworded as you suggest, if it is explicitly sourced. Right now it is not, so I'm going to move it to this talk page: -- Spireguy 16:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

He has been described by some as a self-indulgent risk-taker impervious to the sensitivities of others; one who had little time for those who didn’t live up to his high standards and expectations; and he was even accused of disliking women. In reality, these labels were grossly inaccurate, for he was in fact a very shy, private man who was self-effacing and hated publicity. He was a deep thinker, an avid reader of the classics, and although he never married, he adored his sister and two nieces with whom he lived when not on some distant shore.

Tilman had a great sense of humour, perhaps too subtle for many of his listeners. It was one of his greatest joys to laugh at himself, and see the funny side of life's little foibles. An example is his 'discovery' of Tilman's Disease, characterized as "the inability to put one foot before the other". He wrote seven books about his mountain travels, and eight books on his years sailing to extreme climates. One of the last 'gentleman adventurers', Bill Tilman's stoic and courageous exploits have earned him a place of honour as one of the greatest in the pantheon of explorers.

[edit] Misleading box?

What seemed to be misleading about the box? It gave a nice summary - any factual issues? Other problems? docboat 05:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

no comment to message above, so reverting docboat 08:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent links?

Any comments from others on the links recently added by User:Daveglen? There are self-promotion and conflict of interest issues, but I didn't want to just revert. Anyone? -- Spireguy (talk) 03:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, self-promotion indeed. But I wonder if they stand as a reference on their own rights? I would not delete yet, but I will make a comment on this guy's page. docboat (talk) 04:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)