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[edit] Discussion on WP:RM

This entry was moved here from WP:RM, as a record of the discussion there. Please do not add to this archived content, but instead make new entries in the section below. Noel (talk) 14:23, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Richardson (politician) → Bill Richardson

There is consensus that Bill Richardson (politician) is a far better known personality than Bill Richardson (radio). I have moved the disambig at "Bill Richardson" to "Bill Richardson (disambiguation)" -- Jord 17:18, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

  • Oppose - Unless you were to move his page back to Bill Richardson, there's not much point in that. A bigger issue is probably that there have been a number of politicians named Bill (or William) Richardson, including a few other Congressmen and a longtime California state Senator (H.L. "Bill" Richardson) who ran for U.S. Senate. Outside of politics, there are probably any number of others. I'd recommend leaving the Bill Richardson page as a disambig, but moving the N.M. governor's page to Bill Richardson (governor) or Bill Richardson (New Mexico). MisfitToys 21:19, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose there are too many famed individuals named Bill Richardson to justify the move...and more than just the two listed on the disambiguation page.—ExplorerCDT 21:42, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose for the reasons MisfitToys stated above. I hope someone will add a few more Bill Richardsons to the list, even if they don't currently have articles. --LostLeviathan 21:51, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • Comment: I just wonder whether the three authors named Bill Richardson (that I know of) will require a disambiguation page at Bill Richardson (author) and what their individual articles should be named. —ExplorerCDT 23:02, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
      • No, Bill Richardson (author) should in that case be a redirect to the main disambiguation page for the name. No point in having a twisty maze of little disambiguation pages. Gdr 21:23, 2004 Dec 31 (UTC)
  • Oppose can't really see any evidence of consensus (or discord for that matter) and who's to say there aren't others? Icundell 22:09, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I'm canadian, and have heard of the radio guy, and never the politician. here's my biased vote. SECProto 03:47, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. What SECProto said. —Michael Z. 05:13, 2005 Jan 8 (UTC)


[edit] The Real Draft Issue With Richardson is the Vietnam Draft, Not Baseball

How did Richardson, who was healthy enough to almost play pro baseball, avoid the draft and Vietnam? Richardson was seeking public service in the presidency, so it is entirely relevant and appropriate to wonder why he wasn't seeking military service during the biggest war of his lifetime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.144.129 (talk) 00:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page name?

As noted on Talk:Bill Richardson (politician) - I oppose in principle the moving of the article and replacement with disambig considering the politician is FAR more widely known (and has a full article vs. stub) compared to the CBC radio host. Also, moving the article has broken at least 10 wikilinks that are all evident from within the article (templates, infoboxes, succession order boxes for political office, etc). Since it was moved, I suggest someone (perhaps the mover, for example?) work on fixing this list: Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Bill_Richardson. --ABQCat 06:47, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Reviewing AGAIN the what links here for Bill Richardson, I do not note even a single link which refers to the CBC journalist. Is he notable to an extent that the article to which all other Bill Richardson links link is replaced with a disambig page? Why not disambiguate Bill Richardson (journalist) at the top of Bill Richardson, and replace the disambig page with the primary article to which links refer? If anyone has any objections, let me know, or I'll consider moving the page myself (or having it moved) in a few days. --ABQCat 08:35, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You're right. A simple disambig notice at the top would work fine. RadicalSubversiv E 08:41, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Agreed wholeheartedly. As a Canadian who occassionally listens to Richardson's Roundup, I can tell you that this is lunancy. I am making the change right now! - Jord 17:13, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Per discussion on WP:RM (see above) this page is back to being a disambig. Noel (talk) 14:23, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Profession

I have a bone to pick. It doesn't seem appropriate, I believe, to list someone's profession as "politician." After all, you don't go to school to learn how to be a politician. Lawyer, diplomat, farmer...these are professions. I'm going to peg Richardson with a profession in International Relations, considering what he studied in college, his work for the State Department with Congress, his personal interest in international relations while serving in Congress, and being ambassador to the UN under Clinton. If anybody has a better idea, feel free to share/edit. But "politician" isn't a profession. Not even Ted Kennedy can say it's his profession. Pyroponce 09:40, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting take. I've never seen International Relations called a profession. Does this mean you would also use "English" as a profession? I know several people whose major in college was "English." I'd guess that more than a few people end up in a profession that is not the area they trained. Thinking that politician is not a profession is a quaint Americanism, where they still mistakenly believe in a "citizen legislature." There are many people in college whose main goal is politics. In the same way that some people in college have a main goal of professional sports. Most don't make it, and end up in ancillary professions -- lobbyist, pundit, etc. Richardson has made it (so far). I see no reason to pretend he has some other profession. TedTalk/Contributions 13:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, y'know, I can't think of any long-established encyclopedia that lists a politician's profession as a politician. International relations...I know it's not the best wording. Perhaps "Diplomat" would be better...I'm going to do a little more research. Pyroponce 18:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The US census bureau recognizes politician (2020 21-1099), as well as legislator (0030 11-1031). The list is over 500 pages, so I haven't looked at it extensively, but these look like about the right ones. TedTalk/Contributions 22:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

How about public management? I've done some hunting around and that term seems to describe the art of administration in the public sector. I'm not totally sure it applies though, since most of his public career has been spent in political activities besides administration.

[edit] "Presidential Announcement"

Considering that Richardson is denying that he had said he was running for President, and won't actually announce until January, it would probably be best not to include the Fox News article until that can actually be verified as true. Jlove1982 00:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

As of January 21, he has formed an exploratory comittee. He won't get the nomination. Maybe he's going for a vice-presidency, or cabinet position in the future administration(SecState?).--Mike Theodore 19:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views. --WP:TALK, first bolded sentence. Please leave speculation elsewhere: Usenet, blogs, etc. See also: WP:NOT#SOAPBOX, WP:EQ --Diluvial 20:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
The fox news article that is referenced does include at the bottom that he his announcement is not official. I have modified the this article and kept the same reference. If needed other more concise references can be used if anyone objects to my changes. Russeasby 01:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move diplomacy info?

Much of the info on his diplomatic efforts is in the "Governor of New Mexico" section. While chronological order can be nice, those particular events were not dependant on his position as governor. Should they be moved? If so, where? I suggest the "Career" section, but any move would affect the nearly-static chronology of the current layout. --Diluvial 03:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I suggest moving it to its own section. Invariable the cronology is not going to be maintianable in the future anyways as this article gets greatly expanded once the primaries get in full swing. His foreign diplomacy efforts certainly warrent their own section as they will be a big highlight of his campaign. I suggest placing the section between "Governer" and "Future politcal career". Russeasby 00:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Generation 2000 casinos

I'd like to clarify a recent deletion (and deter it from being re-added). William A. Richardson Jr. is the part-owner of Generation 2000 LLC, not Governor William Blane Richardson. The "Business interests" section was, therefore, deleted by 69.140.41.159 with the reason "Section referred to a different Bill Richardson". These sources confirm that claim:

Bill Richardson, governor of New Mexico, is not the William A. Richardson Jr. affiliated with Generation 2000. Also, the "Richardson" portion of Generation 2000 is owned by both Mr. Bill A. Richardson Jr. and the Melissa Richardson trust. I have not found any "Melissa" associated with the governor "Richardson", either. --65.11.169.251 00:13, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusing Biography: Re-write required?

This is a first for me, so let's see if this works... I find the bio for Gov. Richardson to be confusing. For example, the chronology of how his parents (and, apparently, his grandparents) met is unclear. His birth in Pasadena & subsequent move to Massachusetts, likewise, is unclear and/or poorly written. These are just two examples; I find similar issues of clarity in various other parts of this document.

I don't know that these kinds of issues are typically discussed here but, for the sake of clarity &, frankly, "aesthetics", I'd like to suggest a re-write...

For what it's worth... Sheepherder1 13:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I personally think the extensive details of his ancestors, particularly his grandparents, ought to be in articles about those separate individuals (if at all considered worthy of being encyclopedic content). This article is about his life, not theirs. According to the page's history, much of the ancestoral information is from German-Nicaraguan writer Eddy Kuhl[1][2]. Although, I do agree that the relevant parts need some polishing. In any case, WP:BB! ;) --Diluvial 02:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

There is a certain amount of racism in the genealogy which I tried to pare down. We are told the names of his parents, of course---- but when it comes to his grandparents, we only learn the name of his paternal grandparents, one of whom was from Boston and the other of whom was from Mexico. We even were advised of the very crucial fact that his grandfather changed his middle name from "Blaney" to "Blaine" as a young man! His maternal grandparents, both of whom were Mexican like their daughter, are evidently of no significance, and don't have names-- although we do get to know the name of Bill Richardson's great-aunt, who was also from Boston. It seems as if people who are from Boston count for more than those from Mexico or Nicaragua-- even though Richardson's 3/4 Latino ancestry has had an even bigger impact on his life that his 1/4 New England ancestry. TimothyHorrigan Timothy Horrigan 06:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Richardson's comment on first four states deciding

I added Richardson's comment about the Democratic presidential race being decided very early (January 2008) after the first four state contests (Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, and South Carolina). I cited the Associated Press source link (here: [3]). I would enjoy seeing a follow up comment over the next few months to see which of those four states Richardson believes he will do well in; I suppose Nevada and Iowa--but that is me just guessing. What do some of you think? ProfessorPaul 01:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Being a committed Richardson supporter and a New Hampshirite, I'll add New Hampshire to your list, Paul. Though, clearly, adding such things to the article would violate NPOV.DougOfDoom talk 01:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ummm...are ya sure?

The last time I checked, the governor of New Mexico was elected. Bill Clinton appointed him sec of energy, not governor. --208.104.139.128 19:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, sort of. The "Infobox_Governor" template is buggy and also was fed incompatible data. I had to hack how this article used the template so that "Appointed by" would move from the Governor heading to the 2nd profession's heading (in this case, UN Ambassador). --Diluvial 23:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Update: The Governor Infobox has been merged with the Infobox Officeholder template. Many options have been fixed, and new options are available. --Diluvial 20:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Secretary of Energy Box

I'm not an expert on Wikipedia code, so I don't know whether infobox is what I'm describing, but it seems Richardson should have a section under his picture for his having been Secretary of Energy as well, since other Energy Secretaries have it. Could someone with the appropriate know-how fix this?DougOfDoom talk 18:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Either the info could be within the current box which would limit its scope of information, or a separate Energy Secretary box could be placed underneath the current box and include all the Energy info but probably look ugly. I haven't seen any other politicians with more than one introduction infobox. --Diluvial 21:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Well he already has one section for being Governor of New Mexico and one for being US Ambassador to the UN, why not a third for a qualifying position?DougOfDoom talk 05:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
It's possible to do, but adding a third office entry would be very difficult with the current templates. Adding a separate "Energy Secretary" infobox would be easy, but it would look ugly. For example, it expects to have its own photo. Try it in a sandbox or preview. --Diluvial 18:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Update: The Governor Infobox has been merged with the Infobox Officeholder template. Many options have been fixed, and new options are available. --Diluvial 20:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] controversies

The information in the "controversies" section is interesting and should stay, but why is the section labeled "controversies"? --Allen 18:44, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I moved his OAS appointment to the paragraph in "Governor of New Mexico" that outlines Richardson's continuing activity in international affairs while governor and deleted the "ethnic solidarity" quote. A 'controversy' requires context -- who considers it controversial and why -- and a balanced explanation of the controversy's importance to the topic, not a quote and a link to a politically charged YouTube video[4]. Involvement within an international organization of which the United States is a member, whether the Organization of American States or the United Nations, is not in itself a controversy.
To at least a few people, the quote is indeed worthy of a controversy, but as it is not well known or widely discussed, the purpose of including it seems to be to generate that controversy... and to hit a hot button among certain readers who do not need the context explained. Thus its inclusion is likely politically motivated. It could be theoretically be included in an NPOV discussion of Richardson's perceived dual role -- forced by a world in which identity takes center stage -- as a national leader and as a Hispanic leader. Such a discussion again requires contextualization, both of the quote and its place in his career. Richardson's advocacy seems to be for Latino political organization as Latinos (rather than as Cubans, Mexicans, etc.) in the face of external forces (nativist, etc.) who view them as a threat *as* Latinos. I do not see how this logically precludes those same people viewing themselves as Americans, nor do I follow the point the YouTube poster makes, that 'if a white politician had said something similar', they would be called a racist. An analogous common, ethnically-charged, nativist political threat to a group including, say, German-Americans, Polish-Americans, and old settler Scots-Irish no longer exists, but if it did a similar comment would indeed be taken in the same light as Richardson's has. Satyadasa 13:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Everything sounds so much better in context, doesn't it? The fact remains that he made the comment and the reader can provide their own context or just take it as it is. If you don't like the Youtube version, there's an audio-only file here. Let the reader decide, they don't need your hand-holding. -- LonewackoDotCom —Preceding comment was added at 05:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Future Political Career

I think this should be called "Current Political Activities," and I also think that someone should update this section with his Q1 fundraising numbers. I don't know how. I'm going to go try and figure out how, but in case someone gets to it before I do... thanks! Alison 19:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

I erased the criticism section because of OR. Just a reminder to everyone out there that vanity sites such as blogs are not considered reliable sources. Here is wikipedian policy: "Self-published sources, such as blogs, should never be used as third-party sources about living persons, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer; see WP:BLP." Lulurascal 01:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

well, that can be disputed if there is a concensus. WP:UCS otherwise the article really reads like a promotional article. I'm tagging it for being unbalanced. I heard on CNN this guy has the best curriculum of the candidates, so I wanted to find out what he had been criticized for. this article: nothing! --I am greener than you! (Lima - Charlie - Over) 20:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
It's fine to put in criticism, but it needs to be well sourced and it needs to be discussed in a balanced way. See WP:BLP and WP:V#SF. Please see wikipedian policy for biographies of living people: "Editors must take particular care adding biographical material about a living person to any Wikipedia page. Such material requires a degree of sensitivity, and must adhere strictly to our content policies: Neutral point of view (NPOV), Verifiability, No original research. We must get the article right. Be very firm about high quality references, particularly about details of personal lives. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles,[2] talk pages, user pages, and project space. This policy applies equally to biographies of living persons and to biographical material about living persons in other articles. The burden of evidence for any edit on Wikipedia, but especially for edits about living persons, rests firmly on the shoulders of the person who adds or restores the material." (see WP:BLP) As long as I am an editor, consensus on the material that I deleted will never be achieved. If you can find more reliable and scholarly sources that are published by third parties on the subject matter, then consensus can be made. Anyway, common sense dictates caution in saying contentious and possibly libelous things about living individuals, especially when any accusation, which may turn out to be untrue, can directly affect the living person's life, their careers, and their livelihood. The burden of evidence rests on the editors. Lulurascal 06:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] marriage

"They have been married for 33 years."...pretty vague info.. 33 years as of when? this year? last year?--I am greener than you! (Lima - Charlie - Over) 20:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Children

Who knows how many children Mr. Richardson has? 8 children (Haubrich 01:25 German time, 10.08.2007)

He has none.DougOfDoom talk 01:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Better photo?

The current photo is out of focus, badly framed, badly lit and his "busy day at office" pose looks staged. I think we can do better than this. --Oakshade 04:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course this picture is out of focus, badly framed, badly lit, and looks posed/staged. Because this isn't a photo: It's a portrait; a painting. I find it highly amusing that all the parts of the portrait that you criticize are what makes the painting look artistic and not realistic, and what you think make it a really bad photo. Not making fun of you or anything, it just seems ironic.
Getting back to the point though, maybe a photograph would be better rather than this portrait, at least in the top infobox. I think the portrait has merit, but maybe it should be placed somewhere further down in the article. Nam1123 19:13, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. Looks like a photo. Fooled me. Still, this photo-looking painting looks more awkward than artistic. If his campaign wanted "artistic", Stuart Pearson Wright or David Griffiths would've done more engaging work. --Oakshade 06:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The smile in this picture (01/03/2007 1100 Hrs) looks fake. A better picture might do him some good in the caucuses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.239.172.76 (talk) 15:56, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Questions? Ask them through Wikinews

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I'll be sending out requests for interviews to the major candidates very soon, but I want your input, as people interested in American politics: what should I ask them?

Please go to any of these three pages, and add a question.

Questions? Don't ask them here, I'll never see them. Either ask them on the talk page of any of these three pages, or e-mail me.

Thanks, Nick

[edit] Naturalized?

Question on the following statement:

His father, William Blaine Richardson Jr., was a naturalized American (being the son of an American father and Mexican mother) banker who grew up in Nicaragua.

If his father was born abroad to a U.S. citizen then his father is a citizen born abroad. He could not have been naturalized. Is this a typo or a fabrication?

--Mcorazao 05:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Under US law, individuals only get automatic birth right US citizenship if they are born in territory of the United States. This is because the first sentence of section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment confers birth right citizenship on anyone born in the territory of the US. If a person is not born in the territory of the US, the 14th Amendment does not make them citizens and thus they only become citizens if Congress has authorized it through some form of naturalization. While the statute authorizing citizenship for children born to US citizens while abroad is less rigorous than for someone who is a foreign citizen at birth, it is still a form of naturalization. The naturalization law for children born abroad to US citizens gives automatic citizenship to those children, but requires that they live in the US for 5 years between the ages of 14 and 28 to retain that citizenship. But the reason that it is considered naturalization is because it is through a process defined by Congress rather than by the constitution.
If you are interested, the cases of Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982), Afroyim v. Rusk, 387 U.S. 253 (1967), Vance v. Terrazas, 444 U.S. 252 (1980), United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 (1971) might help to better explain this. Rogers v. Bellei is probably the case most factually similar to the situation of Richardson's father as it regards an individual born in Italy to a US mother. Dekkanar 10:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Military Draft Issue

It is a whole heck of a lot more important how Richardson avoided the military draft than whether he was really drafted to play pro ball. Richardson has often bragged about being a good athlete, and he was of draft age during Vietnam, and he has often spoken of his desire to perform public services. Therefore, it is ENTIRELY appropriate to note that Richardson did not perform public service in Vietnam with the almost 3 million of us who did serve there. How this extremely relevant issue could be removed in a neutral article is beyond comprehension. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.154.103 (talk) 04:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Baseball draft

According to the article, "It has been alleged that he was scouted, recruited and drafted in the 1966 Major League Baseball amateur draft." But the article's cited source is much clearer about who did the alleging; it says that Richardson himself maintained for decades that he had been drafted, before realizing that this was an exagerration. Would anyone object to saying this in the article? 138.78.142.51 20:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it should be in there. I just added it.--Travelingman (talk) 03:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
It was there in a footnote - but now expanded in the text to give the whole story. May be overkill for an exceedingly minor point, but if we're putting it in the text we need to spell it all out. Tvoz |talk 08:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
It looks better now. It was inappropriately hidden in a footnote. It is a major point, not an exceedingly minor point.--Travelingman (talk) 11:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lineage

The section about Richardson's lineage seems to go into excessive detail:

His father, whom she married in 1936, was William Blaney/Blaine Richardson II (Chinandega, Nicaragua, 25 May 1891 – at his home, Recreo 123, Colonia del Valle, Mexico City, D.F., Mexico, 27 July 1972, at 11:30 PM and buried on 29 July 1972 at the Panteón Español), the son of Boston-born on 19 March 1868 (where he is enumerated with his parents in 1870 and 1880) naturalist William Blaney Richardson (whose middle name changed from Blaney to Blaine when they moved to Nicaragua) and his Mexican wife, whom he married around 1888, Rosaura Ojeda Medero (born in Santo Domingo Tehuantepec, Oaxaca, 13 August 1872, daughter of Efren Ojeda Zota (illegitimate son of Ignacio Ojeda by Juana Zoto) and wife, married at Santo Domingo Tehuantepec, Oaxaca, 30 October 1868, Florentina Medero Romo, daughter of Sebastian Medero and wife Eusebia Rosa).

That's a sentence of approximately 139 words, and it's not exactly easy to follow. Not to mention that I'm not sure how relevant it is to provide the names of Richardson's great-great-grandparents. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

User:G.-M. Cupertino puts these into articles, you can hash it out with him/her. Wasted Time R 03:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I would have to agree with Metropolitan90 here - the section, even after having been edited, is overly detailed and confusing. I incorporated the relevant material into early life and added citations for the details. If someone thinks the minute details of the lineage of Bill Richardson are important, it could be created as a sub article - but this was far too much for this article. Tvoz |talk 21:49, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Creation of 2008 Bill Richardson Presidential Campaign article

Every other Presidential campaign has its own Wikipedia article. Is there any particular reason there is not one for Bill Richardson? Just wanted to open it up for discussion before I created the page. Rtr10 (talk) 23:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC) (WikiProject: United States Presidential Elections)

Y Done Rtr10 (talk) 05:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC) Bill Richardson presidential campaign, 2008 has been created. All content that is not currently on the Bill Richardson Biography has been moved to the new campaign page. All future information for Bill Richardson regarding the 2008 presidential election should be added to the Bill Richardson presidential campaign, 2008 page rather than this Biography page. Rtr10 (talk) 05:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC) (WikiProject: United States Presidential Elections)

[edit] Conflicting information regarding grandparents

The article mentions that Richardson's father's parents (paternal grandparents) were of Jordanian heritage. Elsewhere the same article also says that three of Richardson's four grandparents are Mexican. Seems to be conflicting information. Should be corrected and/or clarified. Quacks Like a Duck (talk) 00:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Five Nobel Peace Prize nominations????

A nomination for a peace prize is completely irrelevant. Anybody can be nominated for a Nobel peace prize, even Adolf Hitler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_peace_prize#Nominations). I will delete this. Besides the source for this is unreliable(its the webpage of his campaign) (15.235.153.107 (talk) 20:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC))

[edit] can jhe speak spanish?

His parents and grandparents but whether he can speak fluently... not listed or known? Radio Guy (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 18:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] changing sentence in the introduction

old version: His global diplomatic experience is robust

This is just a Wikipedia author's opinion. Somebody else's opinion could be "his experience is awesome" or "he's so stupid that he sticks his head in the sand".

new version: He was involved in several diplomatic efforts as U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations and afterwards.Spevw (talk) 21:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


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