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[edit] Political Views

"Although he told Libertarian candidate Harry Browne at the end of a Browne appearance on Politically Incorrect that Browne would have his vote, ultimately he said he instead voted for Ralph Nader in the 2000 U.S. presidential election."

Mahar did in fact make both statements, in different episodes -- the latter statement in more than one episode. Before ABC-TV cancelled the program and the official website, these could have been verified on the website as it contained transcripts of each broadcast. Does anyone know of a current site which would have program transcripts?

Davidkevin 04:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I saw the transcript of Browne's appearance on Maher's show, and I noticed that the only issues which were talked about were the ones where Maher would agree with libertarianism. Issues like guns and campaign finance reform were not discussed. I consider Browne to be a lightweight for not taking Maher to task for being a faux libertarian. However, Maher being a "libertine socialist" and not a libertarian explains why he voted for Nader and not Browne.Politician818 09:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Mahar has stated that he considers himself a libertarian while differing with the Libertarian Party on several issues. He's also said that despite those differences, he considers libertarianism enough of a "big-tent" to have room for him even if he isn't ideologically pure.

well he may call himself a libertarian on the bases of the legalization of drugs...back in the 80's you didnt have, or at least didnt hear from, groups like the green party. who the one ideology he found where they argue for the legalization of drugs was probley libertarianism. Yet Bill clearly believes that government should do alot of things, like help the poor, and now he even argues for government mandated health coverage, so he clearly doesnt qualify as a libertarian by any reasonable definition..but i suspect he likes to call himself that because he thinks it sounds cool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.52.167 (talk) 23:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Davidkevin 19:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, is this an encyclopedia article on Bill Maher or a treatise on how he's a fake libertarian? The section on his world view should be rewritten to eliminate the sense that it is the latter.

It's neither. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 06:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

There are many articles that question Bill Maher's nonsensical assertion that he is a libertarian. Bill Maher may say that he is a woman but he does not fit the definition of a woman. And to state thus, is not a point of view.Firmitas 02:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree. Maher saying he's a Libertarian is ridiculous. He's a social democrat, a welfare liberal, a socialist, or whatever you want to call it - but definitely not a libertarian. He's either a liar about this or delusional.JettaMann 07:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

The new info that was added about Maher's criticism of Catholicism doesn't need its own heading. It should be in the religion section. Also, those criticisms need editing. They could be stated more effectively in half the space.

I don't understand the "Insanity by consensus" charge by Maher; shouldn't it be "Sanity by Consensus"? I mean, isn't he trying to claim that religion is overlooked as a neurological disorder only because there are so many religious people? 71.76.135.102 21:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I think you're correct, and Maher may be using English in a semantically incorrect manner, but I think the point he was trying to make is perhaps more obvious by using "insanity" vs. "sanity". It's a matter of clarity vs. correctness, but in either case, Maher's quote is correct. --ABQCat 04:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

71.76.135.102, are you questioning whether he said it? If not, there's no relevance -- this page is for improving an encyclopedia article, not for debating the views or statements of the subject. -- Jibal 22:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

What's with the line: "Maher is often critical of organized religion (even though he is a Muslim)." under 'Views on religion'? There is no citation about him ever mentioning he is Muslim.

He made fun of Muslims on his show Real Time, He said he is a Jew but when asked of his Religion he said "Judaism, I was taught Judaism when I was growing up but not anymore". hope people don't think this is a insult but this guy uses broad strokes when criticizing. like "I'm too smart for religion"

[edit] Removed some small sections.

I've removed "...as opposed to a call for more personal responsibility and less dependence on the federal government." and "...rather than denouncing the idea of that even being the government's role in the first place as most libertarians believe it is not." from the political views section since they seemed to be more argumentitive with Maher's views rather than informative.

Oh, you mean "balanced." --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 06:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Our purpose in an encyclopedic article about Bill Maher should be (in part) to "report accurately" Bill Maher's views, not report them and then debate them in an attempt to be "balanced". Debate over the validity of a given political viewpoint belongs on the page for that particular viewpoint, not here. --Leperflesh 21:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Larry Elder and P.J. O'Rourke

Citation is needed for the claim that Maher is a libertarian who celebrates Larry Elder and P.J. O'Rourke. I personally doubt this as being true, one reason being Maher's left leaning postions on a variety issues as opposed to libertaran leaning positions. Bill Maher agrees with Larry Elder on Social Security and most likely the legalization of drugs, but that doesn't amount to "celebrating" him. Larry Elder is also a critic of Bill Maher. I was wondering if someone could find a reference of Maher "celebrating" either Larry Elder or P.J. O'Rourke, otherwise I don't see why the entry should include it. Thorburn

Well, I can't quite remember last week's show too well, but PJ O'Rourke WAS on Real Time, and I'm pretty sure Maher expressed the fact that he admired PJ. I'm not sure, though.

Unfortunately I deleted the episode frm my tivo after watching but I recall the introduction was something like "A man who has influenced many comedic minds, even if they dont know it". I really dont know what you want to define 'celebrating' but it would seem if Maher does indeed celebrate O'Rourke, it may be for his humor, not neccessarily his political views.--Edy52285 03:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Preoccupied With Religion

This guy is OBSESSED with religious issues; it seems like it is all that he talks about on his show. Perhaps this should be mentioned. --64.12.116.130 06:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Saying "he is obsessed" would be very POVish. From my POV, he doesnt seem to talk about religion much more than he talks about the enviroment, and intense he may be about both, obsessed i think not. My point is that what constitutes an obsession, or "talks about it 'alot'" is up to interpretation.--Edy52285 09:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC

Maher is Projecting. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 06:18, 22 December 2006

I do have to agree with 1st Opinion, I used to watch his show and he insults everyone without giving a point or a opinion. but legalizing prostitution and marijuana? he says he is smart yet thinks this? (opinion)

(UTC)

Most people who believe in legalizing those are very smart. Such as myself. Free thinkers and libertarians are often fans of these two stances. Yet I am not going to debate these issues with you here.(69.140.166.42 01:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Halloween 2006

Adhering to Wikipedia citation rules it seems that a citation would be beneficial in this case. I don't doubt the veracity of the picture or the potential controversy, and I'm not trying to defend the purported action by Mr. Maher, but can someone provide a source talking about the controversy? --ABQCat 05:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Steve Irwin Costume Photo

I deleted the photo from the page because simply mentioning the controversy is enough.

That's very POV. Did it offend you that much? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.203.252 (talk) 05:36, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] YouTube links

This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 04:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another Crock

Every noteworthy conservative, or shall I say "non-liberal," has a big fat controvery section filled with obscure "controversies." Maher is getting a complete pass here relative to his prominence. WP:NPOV has just imploded. --Haizum μολὼν λαβέ 06:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

please feel free to add a "controversies" section, in which you list specific controversies, citing notable references which demonstrate that each controversy was in fact controversial. NPOV demands that controversies listed on any living person's page be approached with care and caution, to ensure that they are described accurately, heavily referenced, and not there solely as a partisan attempt to discredit. Off the top of my head, I recall that the manner in which Maher's "Politically Incorrect" programme was cancelled was controversial: perhaps you could start there. --Leperflesh 21:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zionism

It should additionally be added that Maher is an ardent Zionist who rationalized Israel's terror against Lebanon last summer.Backdash

Are you kidding? The same person who lost his TV show for saying that fanatical Islamist terrorists weren't cowardly for flying planes into buildings is a Zionist? Take your "Jewish World Conspiracy" mularkey elsewhere. TheQuandry 15:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

As cowardice usually involves avoiding pain or death, how does saying that people who kill themselves are not cowards indicate one's political views? In this case, Maher was just agreeing with fiercely pro-Israel conservative Dinesh D'Souza (another fellow, along with Maher, who had a relationship with Ann Coulter) who said "we hear constantly is that the people who did this are cowards....Not true. Look at what they did. First of all, you have a whole bunch of guys who are willing to give their life. None of them backed out. All of them slammed themselves into pieces of concrete....These are warriors. And we have to realize that the principles of our way of life are in conflict with people in the world. And so -- I mean, I'm all for understanding the sociological causes of this, but we should not blame the victim. Americans shouldn't blame themselves because other people want to bomb them."

And kindly follow Wikipedia policies concerning civility. -- Jibal 23:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Your paranoid outburst in trying to deny the influence of world Zionism is contrary to the facts. Bill Maher has spoken for himself when he called the entire world "anti-Semitic" on the basis of the UN's opposition to Israel's terrorism last summer. He has slandered the Lebanese political party Hezbollah as a "terrorist organization." Maher's assessment of what constitutes courage and cowardice in regard to the attacks in New York and the Pentagon does not even begin to show where he stands on affairs in the Middle East. Backdash 19:11, 2 February 2007

Oh boy. You think calling Hezbollah a terrorist organization is slander? No good can come of this discussion, therefore it is over. TheQuandry 19:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Hezbollah is unquestionably a terrorist organization. It's not even debatable. 76.21.45.13 10:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Sure, Hezbollah is just a 'political party' that happens to fire rockets across the border in to Israel. Oh, no, wait, that would be a terrorist organization!165.176.123.2 17:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

He is a Zionist? He said he gave up on his Judaism religion? This guy doesn't know what he is.possibility Ethic bias.hmm I saw the Interview with Former Israeli PM netathyu(sp?) on Real Time. But I have to say no one cares about the palestinians and in some instances they are hard handed yet they have a right to defend themselves. plus saying what he said about 9\11 wasn't smart at the time even if he uses "free speech" as his defense. - Gio (just trying to balance argument

If you ask me - the right place to argue the why/what of terrorism is definitely not in Bill Maher's talk page but that's just me :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZBrannigan (talk • contribs) 22:22, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

What are you talking about? Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by the United States government. If Bill Maher said that, he was just repeating what America has classified that organization as. dposse 17:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, they are considered a terrorist organization by the US, and with plenty of justification, but this still isn't the place to debate the proper definition anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 159.218.56.230 (talk) 14:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC).

As the most valuable Jew in todays world, I would expect him to be pro Israel.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 00:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] bad grammar in the 2nd paragraph

"He is a big supporter of legalizing marijuana, and additionally for his support of prostitution and stance against marriage."

The last half of that sentence makes no sense at all. -Josiah (non-registered editor) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.23.32.46 (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

You don't have to be registered to make improvements (although it's a good idea, and it's easy). -- Jibal 23:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] image

I added a celebrity image of Bill to the page. It is an image given to the Georgia Tech library —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZBrannigan (talk • contribs) 22:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Stuff not included in article

This article should include the whole Dick Cheney controversy, as well as what happened when Maher was on Ferguson's show. 76.21.45.13 20:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] can someone clarify this

Maher and republican media voice Ann Coulter confirmed a short lived relationship on Fox News' O'Reilly Factor, that occurred in 1994 while Maher circuited in California.*

Is this suppose to be a joke? What kind of relationship are we talking about? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lynch04 (talk • contribs) 04:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC).

Can someone clarify why my edit are consistently being reverted? I'm only addressing facts, i.e. his nickname which is Bill Geek, because he looks like a billy goat but is a geek, hence Billy Geek. I better not see my edits changed again!!!! 70.135.208.178 23:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC) John Fredrickson

Was that a joke, or are you serious? What you think his nickname is completely irrelevent. Do you have a real source for this nickname, or just you? (69.140.166.42 01:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Ten Commandments

The views on religion section claims Maher said "of the ten [commandments], only two (the prohibitions on murder and theft) apply to American law". Either Maher was wrong or the (uncited) source was wrong—bearing false witness (perjury) is also an element of US law. — Mohrr 01:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intelligent Design

The paragraph on intelligent design is incoherent. "In reference to a statement..." is vague. "In contrast.." does not contrast with anything. The paragraph appears to function primarily as a plug for ID and Ray Comfort. Should be rewritten or removed. 19:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cannabis/Marriage

Just to note: I don't know whether that should be in the lead or not, but just wanted to find the references. Mackan79 22:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Judaism/Catholicisms

can someone provide a citation on his mother/father's religious affiliations as well as their names? I was told he was raised catholic, if this is true can it be noted/cited? Axedmt 05:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Humor on Irwin

I move here this comment on Irwin's family:

Irwin was survived by his wife Terri, a young daughter (Bindi) and an infant son (Bob).

I think that information doesn't matter. Is the reason to have it to imply that you should abstain more from making humor on a dead person that had a family? That's funny.--BMF81 19:43, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Maher Animal Rights Activist

Why doesn't this article say anything about Bill Maher being an animal rights activist? He has been for many years. He was a board member of PETA. Whether you agree with his stance on that or not it's obviously been a very important part of his adult life and it should be included in an article that is supposed to a biography of him. That article is totally slanted. I'm not going to get into politics but a totally biased biograhper is a bad biographer.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peefy (talk • contribs) 12:59, 13 June 2007.

It is there.Wikidudeman ^(talk) 14:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Completely unacceptable POV, must be removed at once!

The following line from the first paragraph is completely unacceptable:

"He is a big supporter of legalizing cannabis and additionally is known for his stance against marriage."

This is wrong on such simple terms, I can't believe I even have to point it out! He is not against marriage, he's PRO-GAY marriage, which in your right-wing neo-con agenda SOMEHOW got translated into ANTI-marriage! He had clearly stated that he thinks gay marriage is as worthy of discussion as any conservative, but the difference is that while he may have his opinions, he's not trying to force it into law for any other to follow; While the neo-cons are.

And please, linking sources to conservative blogs and personaly run websites? Just because you found it on the "interweb" does NOT make it an acceptable source for any Wikipedia entry. Discuss. 24.89.245.62 00:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I think the phrase "his stance against against marriage" refers to Mr. Maher's jokes about sexless heterosexual marriage, not gay marriage.

In any case, the line quoted above is vague and further clarification would be helpful.

[edit] Iraq War Views History

The article is wrong in stating that Maher was originally opposed to war with Iraq. Years ago on Politically Incorrect he asked "Why don't we take this guy out?" in regards to Saddam Hussein. Immediately after 9/11 he seemed to be in favor of war, stating that he thought it'd be easy just like in 1991, but some time after he remained so: According to this chat transcript: [1], in mid 2002 he was enthusiastically in favor. Only later did Maher come to turn against it. He for a long while implied that it was an oil grab that wouldn't be worth what he believed was increased terrorism, but later said it was a "60/40 thing" (with he being 60% against, 40% for). Maher a number of times claimed he had been consistent on that view from the beginning. He eventually came to drop most of the oil criticism (apparently understanding that Saddam Hussein controls the oil if no one else does), even, once the war started, going so far as to call it "treasure" for the Iraqis. As soon as the war started he settled into a very conciliatory mood arguing that regardless of one's feelings before it began, once it did we should all "root for it to work". He reexamined his defense of the French when they opposed lifting sanctions after Bush advocated it and was extremely vocal in his criticisms of the handling of the postwar. Maher curently believes that the war could have worked in making Iraq a stable model Arab/Muslim state with a positive influence on the region "Had everything been perfect".

My point in all of this is that Maher's views on Iraq have fluctuated wildly and been rife with contradiction in a way that the article does not communicate. Some kind of update noting his views regarding Iraq (while not going on excessively) is in order if the subject of Iraq is to be mentioned in the first place.

Actually on his old website, an old chat interview, in where he is asked if he was for the War? He said that Liberal stands for liberate, so we was for the War. After he got the HBo gig, things changed. And I believe that the interview was taken down.Firmitas 03:03, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wanting Dick Cheney Dead Comment

Has someone mentioned his controversial remark about wanting VP Cheney dead? If no one has, then we should add it in. I just wanted to ask in case there was a reason it wasnt included.Arnabdas 16:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

don't you want Cheney dead? I think it's important.--BMF81 18:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't want him dead though I do want him out of office. Regardless of what we feel about him, he is America's VP. If he doesn't deserve that title due to illegal activity, then an organized impeachment campaign needs to be issued. If it fails or isn't, it was due to lack of evidence, and we shouldn't villify anyone without irrefutable proof.

As for this entry, I included his Cheney mention.Arnabdas 19:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

He's said controversial things his entire career. One article really doesn't seem to be enough to justify mentioning it here. Gamaliel (Orwellian Cyber hell master) 19:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

If Ann Coulter has her article mentioned with her controversial remark, it should be mentioned here. Also, I don't know why you took out her and Maher having a relationship in the past.Arnabdas 15:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no tit for tat, each incident should be judged individually. Something in the Coulter article does not force us to add something here.

Sorry I did not comment on the removal of the other material, but please provide a source for this information and leave out the "ironically" bit if you think it should be in the article. Gamaliel (Orwellian Cyber hell master) 16:10, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I think ironically is appropriate considering that it is established as fact that Maher is very liberal and Coulter is very conservative, both being very controversial and both having made what others believe as hateful remarks. As for the Dick Cheney comment, it can be considered hate speech and should be noted.Arnabdas 19:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I think some offhand remark is fairly trivial and does not warrant inclusion in an encyclopedia article. Besides I am so sick and tired of people coming up with any type of rationale they can pull out their ass to push a political agenda on Wikipedia. Start a blog, or something, dude. We don't need it here. Leondegrance 07:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Maher movie

Poemisaglock 00:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC) Bill Maher stated on Larry King Live that he has a movie coming out called "Religulous", that would discuss some of the problems with organized religion, although he was not very specific.

[edit] Response to "fake libertarianism"

    "Mahar has stated that he considers himself a libertarian while differing with the Libertarian Party's stance on several issues".  Davidkevin

Why in an encyclopedic article would you rely on a political party's stance to define a term? Maybe when Marher stated that he was a libertarian he meant it literally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User60521 (talk • contribs) 05:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

This article used to have a good section on why Maher's political views were not Libertarian. i.e. He supports gun control, he opposes home schooling, etc... Currently his political views merely touch on the fact that some people doubt his Libertarian credentials. I think this needs to be flushed out with a full section in the controversy section. JettaMann 02:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Personally I think it's better left at just saying he identifies himself as a libertarian. (Consider the Identity section of Wikipedia's Manual of Style, though it doesn't address this head-on.) People who identify themselves as libertarians, socialists, and communists are often criticized as not really being those things because of divergence from a theoretical ideal. Any libertarian can be argued to be "not a true libertarian," because they still want some publicly-funded services. Self-identity as a libertarian doesn't mean one believes all doctrines of the U.S. Libertarian Party, just as self-identified Republicans or Democrats (the U.S. political parties) often differ from on certain party positions, and self-identified religious followers often differ on certain religious doctrines. While there are critiques saying he's not a true libertarian (including the cited Salon editorial), these seem to be trying to disparage his positions and credibility, painting him as hypocritical or inconsistent; it's an effective technique in political debate, but I don't think it's appropriate here. -Agyle 06:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, by that criteria there should be no criticism sections at all on Wikipedia and everyone should be able to write their own Wikipedia entries based solely on what they say. Yet there are criticism sections. The fake Libertarian issue is a central part of Maher and needs to be explained fully, as it once was in this article before a Maher fanboy removed it. JettaMann 07:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] "Controversies" Section

Just wanted to point out that the "Controversies" section is not really all controversy. It's some controversy mixed with a decent amount of furthering the story of his career. Probably should be split up since it makes much of the article look controversial? But that is just an outsider's opinion to those who are regular editors on this page. Thanks! Scotty --Scottymoze 01:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Position on vaccines

The article currently includes the sentence "He has expressed skepticism that vaccines are responsible for helping to eliminate many diseases," and cited two sources for the sentence:

I don't think the sentence is accurately supported by either citation. In the CNN citation, he's just questioning the value of developing some flu vaccines. In the second, I think he's suggesting that some disease reductions attributed to vaccines may have related more to improved hygiene. That is different from doubting that vaccines eliminated many other diseases. And his use of "the country" suggests that he's referring to localized elimination, not global.

"Yes but, you know, there are many books out that will -- that will -- and I'm not well enough versed on it to talk about it that will indicate that there are other reasons why it was. And a lot of diseases that have been they say, whoa, this was eliminated because of a vaccine, they find out well no actually the country got toilets and that's what happened."

I am removing the sentence; if the issue is important to the biography, I think it should be rephrased to be more factually precise. -Agyle 22:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Maher incident

He kicked some 9/11 conspirators out of his show which interrupted it live for about 3 1/2 minutes. You can see the youtube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDcY2NK8bKE

Or the Fox News story here http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303761,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.126.201.68 (talk) 00:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

It has already been added. faithless (^speak) 01:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 9/11

I guess the same people who heckle Maher like to vandalize his wikipedia page. Anyway, the section doesn't have to be kept completely separate from other sections but when restructuring the controversy section I wasn't sure where else to put it. Halond 19:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Morality Ethics and Humanity section

This section has a few misspellings and no reference. Recently-added and seems unnecessary. --Naddahnaut 20:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

It may be fine to leave in. It needs to be rewritten neutrally though. 216.57.91.34 01:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I erased this section twice because it was horribly biased AND had misspellings. Whether you think Bill Maher is ill-informed because he said it was ridiculous that the Democrats passed a resolution about something that took place 90 years ago is irrelevant. He was simply stating that it didn't seem like it was of utmost importance in a time when there are far more pressing issues facing our country. This does not make him ill-informed or against morality, ethics, or humanity. It's simply not needed.--72.206.122.16 02:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The same editor added almost identical sections to several biographies. It appears o be a campaign. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:06, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fired?

I saw a video on Youtube recently of a clip that was pulled from the HBO website in which Bill Maher says the word "cunt". The video description claims that he was fired for saying it. Any news on this? The video was posted 22 hours ago (as of this post). No news sources are saying he's fired, but who knows. Link to the video: [2] David ovic 11:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I can only hope that you are correct here. As a woman, it is not surprising to me that Bill Maher has never had any long-term relationships with women! Four men making fun of Hillary Clinton last week was pretty nasty, even when you are a Republican like I am.

Although Bill Maher probably sees himself as some kind of "progressive" thinker, he definitely succumbs to political correctness in every way. Have you ever seen him make fun of Obama? Although it may be funny to laugh at Hillary, we all know that you can't say anything bad about black people. Boab (talk) 05:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

It's HBO; they're not going to fire someone for saying "cunt," especially not someone who drops about fifty "fucks" in an average broadcast. Boab, you're more than welcome to your opinion, but this isn't the place for it. Wikipedia is not a forum, and especially isn't a place for point-of-view pushing. Cheers, faithless (^speak) 05:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Ditto. Also, Beware of TIGERS. - CheshireKatz (talk) 16:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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