Talk:Bengaluru/Archive2

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Contents 1 Requested move 1.1 Survey 1.1.1 Survey - in support of the move 1.1.2 Survey - in opposition to the move 1.2 Discussion 1.3 Aftermath 2 Edit RV 3 Recent edits 4 Help needed to districtify 5 Is this inappropriate? 6 Size of Bangalore city 7 Cleanup 8 Images 9 Introductory ["skyline"] Image 10 Problems 11 List of colleges 12 Changes made to the article 13 Bengaluru 14 SEI CMM Level 5 15 rock city of india 16 2001 Census

[edit] Requested move

[edit] Aftermath

OK, here is what happened: the poll above was opened after a wider poll on renaming was held here. I closed that poll as "move all", with an appropriate edit summary pointing to that poll. Since the entire moving job was fairly exhaustive, I probably missed this poll as well and it seems to have remained opened, and I unlisted it from the WP:RM page routinely. Apparently, people were lazy to check out what happened (and my move summary) and simply moved it back, and several other articles likewise in an avalanche fashion.

Now, since the dust apparently didn't settle, I think the only viable option is to close whatever polls were left around and start afresh; continuing 3-months old polls is a fairly bad idea. I invite anyone interesting to start a new, fresh, WP:RM so that consensus can be determined (and I won't touch it with a pole). Duja► 16:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

No, the "result of the debate" -- that is, of this "Requested move" debate -- was that consensus to move the page failed, and there was a clear majority for keeping it at "Bangalore". Although there may have been a parallel, omnibus survey-and-discussion, and although it may have had a differing verdict, and although that may explain why, back in November, you moved the page and delisted it from "Requested moves", that does not affect the outcome of of this discussion-and-survey. Please change your statement of "The result of the debate..." to reflect the actual result of this debate. -- Lonewolf BC 17:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

What a bleeding mess: I think that I now see why, on 7 November, you moved the page contrary to the consensus here (then as now), minutes later delisted it at "Requested moves", but left the discussion here open (and, I assume, unknown to you). This discussion was opened by one party, with the usual listing at "Requested moves", properly linked to the discussion here. Afterward, the "Discuss" link in the listing was improperly re-routed to the omnibus discussion. -- Lonewolf BC 21:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Exactly: I wasn't even aware about this poll at the time. Now, the "other" poll was a close call as well (somewhere between "move" and "no consensus"). This article ended up, one way or another, at "Bangalore" so there's no need to exercise WP:BURO and mess with poll results post mortem. Since "no consensus" is apparently demonstrated at least by frequent moving back and forth, I guess it's best to leave the things as they are at the moment. Duja► 07:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way, the omnibus discussion, at "Wikipedia talk:Indian Wikipedians' notice board" (as it was then called) was begun marginally earlier, and seemingly independently of this one. Neither Bangalore nor any of the other cities concerned were listed at "Requested moves" at that time, nor ever, with respect to that discussion (with the arguable exception of Bangalore, and that only through the "re-routing" of the link in its RM listing). That was okay as far as it goes, because none of the proposed moves needed admin assistance at that time. However, there were no discussions on any of the other article talk-pages concerned, nor even any postings thereon giving notice of the omnibus discussion. In other words, there was no indication on the talk-pages of the affected articles themselves that the moves were under omnibus discussion (with the exception of Bangalore, where the discussion began separately from the omnibus discussion). This was simply not an open and proper way of going about things, and it ensured that the discussion was heavily skewed toward Indian editors, whose support for the moves was essentially just a denial of WP:NC. Although there may have been more votes of support than opposition, the secretive way the omnibus discussion was carried out (whether or not the secrecy was intentional), and the illegitimate nature of the arguments in favour, render its prima facie outcome invalid. No pages ought ever have been moved on the basis of the omnibus discussion. -- Lonewolf BC 08:41, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit RV

I just rv'ed an edit that changed the lead text from "proposed to be renamed to Bengaluru" to "Renamed to Bengaluru". My understanding is that there is still a process under way that requires the Central Government to accept Karnataka's proposal to rename the city; until such time, the city's name officially remains Bangalore. However, if this is incorrect, please rv back to the other version and provide appropriate in-line citations supporting the change. Thanks AreJay 01:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent edits

I feel I must explain some of the recent edits on my part to new users and regular contributors alike; Bangalore is a Featured Article and one of the first among a line of steadily growing Indian city featured articles. As such, Indian city featured articles are required to follow convention outlined in Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities. This includes maintaining sections in Wikipedia:Summary style format and refraining from using "Fair Use" images unless absolutely necessary. My recent edits included reverting the Economy and Tranport sections to bring them in conformity with Wikipedia's Summary style and Wikipedia Indian Cities project guidelines as well as removing where possible, images that were not in public domain or licensed under CreativeCommons. Comments welcome. AreJay 03:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed to districtify

Hello Bangalorians. I need one of you to do me favor. I work on wikitravel [3] and we need to districtify Bangalore, i.e. split it up into 5-9 districts. If any one of you could help me, I'd be extremely grateful. The district names should sound natural and cover the entire city. You can contact me at any of the following -

• upamanyu.mallik@gmail.com
• upamanyu_mallik2000@yahoo.co.in
• My wikipedia user talk page [4]
• My wikitravel user talk page [5]
• The Bangalore talk page on wikitravel [6]

Thanks — Upamanyuwiki 13:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this inappropriate?

I have added following links to the external links, some anonymous author is repeatedly removing this links..Are the following topics not relevant to this page on Bangalore?

• Bangalore Rainfall
• Bangalore at a glance
• Planning & Development Laws covering Bangalore Metropolitan Area —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sasinfo (talk • contribs) 18:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Yes. Private blogs are inappropriate on wikipedia. Sarvagnya 18:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou, this link is purely for information and reference and for want of good interactive visualization. There are many notes / references linking to many sources outside, they are considered legitimate, why not this? (Sasinfo 19:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC))

Because personal blogs are not reliable sources. Otherwise, we both could open our own blogs, write whatever we want and cite it on wikipedia. Or if we had our own blogs, we could piggyback on wikipedia's popularity and get some free publicity for our blog. Also see wikipedia's policy on external links. Sarvagnya 19:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what is the disdain over blogs. Should we reject just because the reference is a blog? The same information written in a non-blog website is acceptable? Should we not check the data if its reliable and make that's only criteria. What about the wrong Bangalore Area displayed in infobox, is that not a unreliable information? Sasinfo 16:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Its not disdain over blogs. Even 'unreliable' websites are a strict no-no. And to decide which source is reliable and which is not, we follow the guidelines set down in WP:RS. Please read it in its entirety atleast once. And then, for external links, we have WP:EL. Read that one also. If you think that any of these rules/policy/guidelines are flawed, bring it up at the village pump. If people agree with you, you can get the policy changed. Sarvagnya 16:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Is this external link in the main page[7] not a self promotion..why is this link not edited? Sasinfo 20:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is unreliable source for information ?according to patent office Sasinfo 19:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, you are welcome to argue all you want, but unfortunately, this is Wikipedia policy and all Sarvagnya has done is to ensure that it is properly applied on this page. He has also provided various links to Wikipedia's policies in his reply above; please take the time to read them carefully. Despite this, if you believe the policy/policies to be unfair, please contribute by debating on WP:PUMP. Arguing on this talk page will help very little. Thanks AreJay 19:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I did not argue here, wikians were helpful to clarify certain things for which i am grateful. I did read all the links quoted in this regard. My understanding in this regard where necessary, the info if it's reliable it can be quoted. Nobody proved the links i posted are unreliable. Instead the links i posted were giving a synoptic view of the City's demography. By not doing anything to check the wrong Bangalore 'area' quoted in info box, we seems to be validating the 'unreliable' news. Also i don't understand why this external link[8] is not self promotion. Sasinfo 19:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Size of Bangalore city

The area of Bangalore in the article seems to be incorrect. 2190 sq km is the area of entire Bangalore district [9]. The article should include the area of the city only. --(Sumanth|Talk) 09:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

This page is very messy when it comes to pictures. The india portal (or Indian cities or something like that) rules state that most/ all of the pics should be on the right. And there should be at most 3 per section. This is a featured article and should not remain in this state. Also, the relevance of images is essential. The Public Utility Building does not relate to the economy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nikkul (talk • contribs) 16:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC).

Please give correct reference for the picture guidelines, Please don't remove the pictures arbitrarly. Sasinfo 22:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

It looks far better than messy New Delhi Page photo placements [10]. Sasinfo 22:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

This is a featured article. New Delhi is far far away from being one. Please read all the rules in Wikiproject Indian cities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indian_cities

and Wikiproject India http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India

Please become familiar with established procedures. Nikkul 01:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the following issues need to be addressed:

• Culture
  • Shouldn't Garden city of India and Pub city of India be "Garden city of India" and "Pub city of India" respectively?
  • Chinese and Western fast food are all very popular in the city. Here, "western" directs to "western world", while "Chinese" to "Chinese food". I think the link for "western" needs to be changed.
  • Bangalore is home to the Kannada film industry..., Bangalore is also a popular venue for Western rock concerts, and Bangalore has a number of elite clubs, like the Bangalore Golf Club, Bowring Institute... These should have separate paragraphs for themselves as they have little relation with rest of their respective paragraphs.
  • No mention of the recent explosion in the no of shopping malls.
  • There is not one reference in the entire paragraph! I find its especially needed for the bits about Winston Churchill and "Bangalore Kannada".

More later Tommy Stardust 18:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

This past week, there's been a pointless tug-of-war over images being added to this article. While quality images undoubtedly enhance the overall reading experience of the article, this purile and repeated inserting and reverting of images has turned out to be an utterly pointless excercise and has drawn everyone away from what needs to be the real focus — i.e., improving the article's content, where necessary. I completely agree with Sarvagnya. This little battle is just a little too excessive. Nikkul, how does an image showing only a part of what appears to be the building of a school that isn't even very prominent in Bangalore gain prominence in your opinion over a statue of JN Tata on the campus of perhaps one of the country's finest academic institutions?? Also, if staying in the US leads you to not "care about any school in Bangalore", then I'd question why you're editing this article in the first place. If you don't care, that's fine; other editors who do care about the article have continued to pitch in and improve it with additional content on an as-needed basis. Secondly, how is a photograph of a random shoe shop in Bangalore indicative of the city's culture, as you claim in your edit summary when you reversed the other editor's edits [11]? Can we explore that logic a little bit more?? These are just some of the questions I had when these edits were being made ad nauseum, but I refrained from commenting on it, but since the edits and reverse edits have continued like there's no tomorrow, I was compelled to comment. Let's leave the article the way it is as of now. I certainly don't think the article is lacking in quality in the image department and if anyone wants to add or change any of the images, let's discuss it hear first before taking unilateral decisions and starting another pointless edit war all over again. Thanks AreJay 02:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The images can do with with a little improvement but you cant just dump some random image just because you dont like the existing ones. My suggestions for any change of images would be - if you want to take the statue image away from education, then the correct and more appropriate image would have to be that of either National High School or of H Narasimhiah. NHS shares a glorious history with Bengaluru and it is alma mater for hundreds and hundreds of notable people of Bengaluru. H Narasimhiah is one of the foremost educationists, freedom fighters and Gandhians of Karnataka and was Principal of the school for a looooong time. His pic also would be ideal for the education section. And if you're going to have some random shoe shop from some mall, I'd rather you have a pic of either MTR or Vidyarthi Bhavan or something. These are businesses which have been part and parcel of Bengaluru's ethos and culture since decades. Basically, use some logic when you replace images. You cant just dump your favourite school(and a horrible pic at that) into the article. Sarvagnya 05:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. I fully agree with my fellow editors AreJay and Sarvagnya. Thanks.Kanchanamala 08:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

AreJay, first of all let me say that my statement of not caring about schools in bangalore is a direct reponse to Sravagnya's accusation that I was adding images of MY favorite schools. To be honest, I have no feelings towards any school in Bangalore. But i very much care about Bangalore, and its page on Wikipedia. As i was looking for another picture, the Xavier Institute one was the only decent available picture for a college in Bangalore. So tell me, do you think a statue or a picture of an actual school is more relavnt to the Education section?? Sarvagnya, if you would like to add an image of the National Highschool, please go ahead. I dont have any oppositions, as long as the image is clear. But I do oppose the picture of a statue where the picture of a school should be. Perhaps, you should consult other city articles and see that under the education section, pictures of schools, not statues are shown. I dont think any one person can be representative of all the colleges in Bangalore. Oh, and once again, Saragnya has directly accused me of "dumping my favorite school." Let me just state this, I am going to a world class school in Los Angeles, i really dont have any favorite schools located in Bangalore. If Sarvagnya would like to add an image of MTR of Vidyarthi Bhavan, go ahead and try finding some, but dont stop my efforts instead because atleast I am finding new images instead of reverting other peoples and saying, "oh MTR would be nice." And shopping has become a prominent part of culture in bangalore. if you didnt notice that, then go there and see. :) Nikkul 15:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Please. I didnt ask for NHS or MTR to be added because you were adding XIME. I suggested them because they mean something to Bengaluru. XIME on the other hand, let me tell you, means almost nothing to Bengaluru. It is one of the million 'startup' schools that has mushroomed in Bengaluru in the last decade or so. It has no history with Bengaluru nor any stature of the IISc kind. Except the student population in Bengaluru, the rest of the population hardly even knows that such a thing as XIME even exists. Same with your shoe shop. It is just another nameless, faceless glass facade and can even be from anywhere in the world. Nothing in that pic even remotely connects with Bengaluru. In short, your pics are way out of place in this article. Nearly nonsense.

On the other hand, MTR or Vidyarthi Bhavan(talking just of eateries) have a history, popularity and prominence that goes back generations. As far as the education pic goes, my only complaint with the statue pic is that it is not very clear, a close up would do. And in my opinion, a pic of H Narasimhiah is the ideal one for the section(and I will make a case for it when I can find a free-to-use pic of him. I will hold my peace till then) And if you want a shopping area, get me a pic of, say, Gandhi Bazaar, the numero uno 'bazaar' in Bengaluru. Or of K.R.Market. Or maybe a pic of any prominent Darshini(a fast food restaurant genre that is part and parcel of every man, woman and child in Bengaluru). Or maybe a pic of the Kadlekai parishe. I could go on... but your pic of XIME and shoe shop figure nowhere.

if you didnt notice that, then go there and see. :)

Ok. Sarvagnya 16:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I was just thinking, how about using this image of Sir M.Visweswarrayya? Sir MV was instrumental in starting so many schools and colleges in Bangalore as stated in the article itself. Govt of Karnataka has started a new university in his name. Nothing more appropriate than Sir MV's image for education section until we get an image of Dr.H Narasimmaih IMHO. Gnanapiti 17:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

A nice pic of Sir MV would certainly make a strong case(for Karnataka than Bengaluru imo), the pic you've mentioned is sadly, 'fair-use'. I dont think(per WP policy) that the pic would be 'fair-use' for this article. Sarvagnya 17:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

OK. Mavalli Tiffin Room article has some good pictures for Culture or Demographics section. MTR has a great heritage associated with Bangalore. Gnanapiti 17:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

EXCUSE ME, sarvagnya, I'm not getting you anything!!! Who are you to tell me to get you images??? If you want an image, go get it yourself. Perhaps you should look at yourself in the mirror and notice that you are equal to every other user on Wiki. Don't think you are any better than anyone else. Please. Just so you know, I was the one who brought the Vadhana Soudha and the Lalbagh pictures after searching for hours on flickr. all you have done is criticize others, blame others, and tell others to bring you images. Nikkul 18:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Searching for hours to get pictures of Vidhana Soudha? May be you missed a box called "search" in flickr. :) Gnanapiti 18:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Nikkul, I dont need to look in the mirror to know that I am a mere mortal. I know it. And since you say that it took you 'hours' to find a 'Vidhana Soudha' pic, I thought you might find this site useful. Just search for anything there and it will return pics that can mostly be used on wikipedia. Thanks. Sarvagnya 19:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Nikkul, to respond to your questions earlier, you have to put that statue in context to really understand its implications. That statue, is the statue of the founder of the IISc, perhaps the most prestigeous academic institution dedicated to science in the entire country, and is located in the IISc campus. Surely, this is a natural candidate to represent Bangalore's education environment (I would certainly rank it above any image of XIME). And just to be clear, I have no affiliation to either the IISc or XIME, having never studied in India, but clearly this is not just a statue. It is a statue of the founder of the IISc and is located on its campus. Also, your response has still not addressed my question on the photo of the shoe shop. What exactly did you mean by saying "And shopping has become a prominent part of culture in bangalore."? People in cities everywhere shop. How is this part of the city's culture? Aquisition of products and services for domestic consumption has been part of peoples' daily routine for centuries. How is this even relavent to a city's culture? And how has this become part of the culture of Bangalore? Are you suggesting that people in Bangalore didn't shop at some point in the past? I'm sorry, but this seems to defy logic.

However, and in closing, let us agree to first discuss any changes to the images in the article here on the talk page and avoid taking unilateral decisions. Keep in mind that Bangalore is a featured article and it is important that we maintain the high quality that the article currently adheres to. By discussing any changes to the images, we can insure that the proposed changes conform to the general standards of the article and are relevent to the context of the article or section. Can we agree on this? AreJay 22:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Arejay, is not culture what people routinely do? Shopping for high-class shoes reflects how people have started buying things that are more luxurious than ever before. It is a fact that most people now have more money in Bangalore than they ever had before as a result of Bangalores econmy. And instead of going to the Bata store, they now head to stores like that. But I do see your point and i do appreciate that you did not just BLAME me for putting the picture of my favorite womens shoe store on there like someone else would have. So thank you for being more civil. And as long as you agree that a picture of isc would be more relavant than a picture of tata, i dont really have any opposition. Think of it like this: an average person who comes on the bangalore page is not from bangalore, but from some other part of the world (most probably). He does not know the importance of Tata. All they see is a statue and a statue does not show education in bangalore. Sarvagnya, I am very pleased that you have realized that you are a mere mortal. I think we're finally getting somewhere. And, just so you know, Wiki commons does not have high quality pics like flickr does. There is only one picture of the Vidhana Soudha and it does not meet my quality requirements. That is why i spent hours trying to get a new image on instead of ordering people to get you images. And perhaps you should learn to not assume that people tend to DUMP their favorite images onto YOUR page, as if this page is compeletly yours. Nikkul 02:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, an average reader doesn't know the importance of Tata but he knows some Xavier school whose only achievement includes constructing a two story building and maintaining a two tree garden. :) Well said Nikkul. Gnanapiti 05:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you live in a bubble, but in the real world, the average reader definately does not know who tata is. perhaps a majority of people in india know who he is, but this is not an indian only used encyclopedia. So to the rest of us who dont live in india (which makes the majority of wikipedia readers) all they see is a statue. And i am for any image that shows a school in bangalore rather than a black statue. Do you think people who read Wiki articles in America, Austrailia, France, England, Singapore etc. all know who Tata is?? No way. Nikkul 11:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate Nikkul's keenness for a clean looking image, but he has been arbitrarily removing and adding pictures. The IISc statue pic clearly has the byline hyperlinked to page what is IISc and who is JN Tata. Similarly Nikkul removed KR Market pic repeatedly (what reason?) and didn't hesitate to add some shoe shop, saying it shows culture. I have uploaded this IISc pic [12] and this [13], can we add one of them to the main page instead of Tata statue? I prefer the first pic Sasinfo 17:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

The first image is tagged "fair use" and there seems to be no explanation as to how this qualifies as fair use. The licensing for the second image hasn't been clarified either. Generally, we prefer using public domain images or images with cc-attrib, or cc-attrib cc-sa licensing. You might be better off looking for suitable IISc images on creativecommons.org or other websites. AreJay 18:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Nikkul, from the Wikipedia article on culture...

“

In general, the term culture denotes the whole product of an individual, group or society of intelligent beings. It includes technology, art, science, as well as moral systems and the characteristic behaviors and habits of the selected intelligent entities. In particular, it has specific more detailed meanings in different domains of human activities.

”

If culture is what people routinely do, then why haven't we written about the fact that people in Bangalore eat food routinely, or work for a living routinely? The same with shopping. People in Bangalore shop, as do the people in Mumbai, Moscow or Minneapolis. This isn't part of their "culture". I think however, that you're probably trying to say that people in Bangalore are increasingly frequenting shopping malls. I am, however, hesitant to say "most" people in Bangalore have that kind of buying power. I know having frequently visited the city that even Bangalore's middle class citizens are more likely to make their purchases in local bazaars (like the KR Market or Gandhi Bazaar that Sarvagnya was talking about) than at exclusive stores in shopping malls. All this is moot point though, since clearly shopping has little to do with a city's culture. AreJay 18:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

AreJay, I understand what you are saying, and i thank you for being civil about it. By the way, we do write about the fact that people in Bangalore work routinely...its in the economy section. The fact that people eat food in Bangalore (the types of food) is in the culture section. And i do see the fact that the store image could have been taken anywehre else in the world and thats why i have not added that in. And i definatley prefer Sasinfo's images to the black statue.Nikkul 01:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Introductory ["skyline"] Image

Bangalore needs an introductory image of either a famous landmark or a skyline. Most other cities have these in their infoboxes. A snapshot of UB city would be great.Nikkul 14:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problems

The culture, media and education sections have 1 citation between them.

Also I do not think Bangalore Institute of Technology, Dayananda Sagar College of Engineering, and Sir M. Visvesvaraya Institute of Technology have a good enough reputation to be mentioned in the article (after all, this is an article on Bangalore, not technical education in Bangalore).

In 1991 plans for a large-scale Bangalore International Airport were conceived; however, the project was repeatedly delayed due to red tape and friction between the private companies involved and the state government. How on earth did unreferenced random statements like that make it to a featured article? Red tape and friction... Seriously?

I honestly think this article needs to be reviewed for its FA status Tommy Stardust 18:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of colleges

IMHO, no college should be mentioned in the article except the top three: IIM, IISc and NLSIU. Any other addition will lead to a deluge of alumni trying to push in their colleges into the list. Please provide opinions on this issues, else I am removing the list of colleges one week from now -- Amarrg 08:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. If you start adding names, then there would be no end, and we'd end up having each and every "Galli" college on this list. The most well known are IIM, IISc, NLSIU, BMC (2nd best in India), IIIT-B and some other older, more renowned (or at least a deeply ingrained part of the cityscape) colleges. Sniperz11 13:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes made to the article

1. Removed one line which was tagged citation needed from lead-in. There was no citation I found to validate that moreover the Finance Ministry of India in its presentation of Outcome budget of 2007-08 has specifically mentioned the name as 'Bengaluru' as can be seen here thereby indicating that the name is prevalent in the Indian Government as well.
2. Removed first line from History section since the same has been explained in detail in the Etymology section
3. Trimmed the history section by removing irrelevant references like that to Miss World and KFC - -- Amarrg 14:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bengaluru

Per this article from The Hindu, it should officially be "Bengaluru" by now. Also Amar's link above clearly shows Bengaluru being used "officially". Also the media and several businesses also have started using "Bengaluru". Some examples - [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20]

And it has always been "bengaluru" in Kannada - not just 'unofficially' but also 'officially'. Kannada is the only "official" language of the state and every single official letter, gazette, form and any other document printed by the Govt of Karnataka in Kannada has always used "Bengaluru". So, I think it is time to move the article. Sarvagnya 21:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Except, er, that this article isn't written in Kannada. It's written in English. It should use the accepted English form of the name, which is "Bangalore", until such time as 'Bengaluru' becomes widely accepted amongst English-speakers, which will probably be a while, if it ever happens at all. We say Germany, not Deutschland, Venice, not Venezia, India not Bharat or Hindustan. What's the use though. Arguing with linguistic chauvinists trying to colonise English-language wikipedia is like banging your head against a brick wall..... Sikandarji 10:54, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

While I don't want to be as blunt as Sikandarji, I would like to draw your (User:Sarvagnya's) attention to the fact that the official website of the Bangalore City Corporation and the official site of the Karnataka government both continue to mention "Bangalore" as the name of the city. Furthermore, the very sources that you cite like The Hindu and Deccan Herald continue to use the name "Bangalore" in their papers in reports that are filed from the city. Just visit their websites and you'll know what I'm talking about.

So let's not jump the gun and move the article until we get official confirmation and acceptance of the new name in a reasonable number of reputed sources. With all due respect, a couple of websites here and there have mentioned the new name don't make for a strong case to do a find/replace of "Bangalore" with "Bengaluru", or for moving the article.

Coming to the infobox, I'm perplexed as to why you would want to tuck the Kannada name under the other_name field when you yourself try to make the case that it is the only official name of the city. If it is the official name according to you, isn't it wrong to put the official name under other_name? Given the fact that there is no "official_name" field, the native_name field fits the bill perfectly, because the Kannada name is the native name and should stand out as so. I don't think you'll disagree with me about this fact, so unless there's a very good reason to do otherwise, we should put the names in the infobox in their correct fields (this is an featured article after all, and should tend to perfection). Thank you, Max ^{- You were saying?} 15:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Bengaluru is the official spelling in the English language, period. Thanks.Kanchanamala 06:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Can I move "Bangalore" to "Bengaluru." Since official, it should be the legitimate version of the name in whichever context its used. I hope its acceptable. In case of Deutschland, Helvetia etc. the primary language in use is non-English. When its English, the official name becomes the accepted name, even in English. Thanking You, Altruism^{To talk} 08:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. What is 'Official' is neither here nor there: what matters is usage, and which version is more familiar, more widely used, and more likely to be recognised. The Wikipedia naming convention reads thus: "If a native spelling uses different letters than the most common English spelling (eg, Wien vs. Vienna), only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form."[21] This is clearly not the case with "Bengaluru", and until it does become as widely used as, say, 'Mumbai', the article should remain at 'Bangalore'. Sikandarji 08:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Sikandar.. for heaven's sake.. is this the only page on your watchlist? Get a life! Sarvagnya 09:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SEI CMM Level 5

"As headquarters to 38% of global SEI-CMM Level 5 Companies, Bangalore's place in the global IT map is prominent.[40]"

Very old statistics ..now there are much more than 52 SEI CMM Level 5 companies. Either count all the companies and figure out how many % are based in Bangalore or just include "many of" instead of exact figure. so it becomes

As headquarters to many of the global SEI-CMM Level 5 Companies, Bangalore's place in the global IT map is prominent.[40]

[edit] rock city of india

removing status as rock city of india - didnt find any proof on google. what makes you say its the rock city of india ? ~Ninad

It's not. And anyway, what does that term even mean? There's no value to random marketing slogans in an encyclopedia. AreJay 21:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

The characterization of Bengaluru as a [or the] rock city of India seems very odd to me. Thanks.Kanchanamala 09:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

thanks, i have edited and changed "rock city of india" to hosts many rock concerts ~Ninad

[edit] 2001 Census

Notice that many numbers are based on 2001 census. We are in year 2007 and Bangalore itself with other cities in India have grown enormously. Shouldnt this data be removed ....i mean though we might not have new data available ...this 2001 data is clearly incorrect.