Talk:Battle on Snowshoes

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The article posted here on Feb. 21http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines talk page guidelines, 2007 read "The Battle on Snowshoes began on March 13, 1758 with the successful raid by over 100 Rogers' Rangers led by Joshua Goodenough sent to gather intelligence, take prisoners and destroy supplies at the French controlled Fort Carillon occupied by the French Marines, Canadian Militia and Aboriginals. A later second raid had 200 Rogers Rangers leaving Fort Edward led by Major Robert Rogers ambushed with the defenders aided by wearing snowshoes. This engagement called the "Battle on Snowshoes" caused the capture and death of approximately 140 of the Rangers.[1]"

This description of the Battle on Snowshoes is almost totally in error. Not only did Goodenough not "lead" the Ranger party, there was no such person as Joshua Goodenough. He is fictitious. Frederick Remington invented him when he wrote and illustrated an article entitled JOSHUA GOODENOUGH'S OLD LETTER, which was published in an 1898 issue of Harper's Magazine. Burt Loescher made the mistake of accepting the account as genuine, and so have others who have read Loescher without further knowledge. Moreover, the first BOS was in 1757 and the second was in 1758, and both were led by Robert Rogers. Pvtchauncey 18:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC) Pvtchauncey 21:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting the article and making it more accurate. With respect Fort Ticonderoga was controlled by the French making it part of New France at that point in time, therefore, an argument can be made it was part of Canada, New France, See Map1 See Map2 i.e. part of the List of conflicts in Canada. Arcticdawg 02:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

If you can find a single source that will say Canada (New France) considered New York State part of their own territory then you may post your link. The burden of proof is on you!! Until you can find that proof, you may not post fictious (or shall I say, your personal opinion based on 'an argument can be made') content and links. Pvtchauncey 22:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Click on the links highlighted in the paragraph I previously wrote above yours. Arcticdawg 00:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The links don't tell me anything and the maps have no delineation whatsoever except perhaps the sinuous nature of the way CANADA is presented on one of them. Therefore, the idea that this bat'le took place in Canada is still nothing more than your personal conjecture. Print some text and provide the page numbers and full references to prove otherwise. You said "An argument can be made...' but you haven't yet given a single source other than your personal preference that specifically and precisely says what you are trying to say. Get some proof because Wikipedia isn't about personal cases that 'can be made'. Pvtchauncey 02:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

This See Map2 clearly shows the boundary, Fort Ticonderoga was a French fort, therefore, it was part of Canada, New France SEE See Map1 Arcticdawg 03:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editional editorial changes

The author of the original erroneous input has been changing the format of my "additional reading" entries. I am using the Chicago Manual Style consistently. But moreover, this person is changing the title of a book that I happen to have in hand and he is changing it to an incorrect usage according to my first (and only) edition copy. Pvtchauncey 03:28, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

The article was started using APA style format, to be consistent and uniform we should continue using APA. Please do not practice ownership of article we work together here at wikipedia and assume good faith. Arcticdawg 10:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Since your orignal article was so very off-base, and since this article has been approved by one of a tiny handful of experts, I don't think you have the right to be arguing it. I certainly welcome the input of people who can show they know what they are doing. You haven't proven that. I don't consider this 'my' article, but I do consider myself watch-dog over its integrity. If your original post had not been based on fiction (aside from the inaccuracies), I might have more confidence ("good faith") in your ability to do what is right here.

You also need to stop changing parentheses to commas around a clause that is completely aside from the main story and thus is PARENTHETICAL!

Pvtchauncey 22:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)