Talk:Battle of the Granicus
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[edit] Old move request
Battle of the Granicus (334) to move to Battle of the Granicus (334 BC) and delete the first one with the Battle of the Granicus as a redirect to the second one. Sorry, I goofed on the moves; I've been away a while. jaknouse 16:06, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
- Propose no move
- Proposed move to "Battle of the Granicus (334 BC)"
- Proposed move to "Battle of the Granicus"
- Support this alternative and oppose other options. As there is no other battle on Wilipedia with that name there is no need to to have moved the page name to a name which includes the year. redirects can take care of any index concerns which jaknouse has Philip Baird Shearer 19:49, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, move it back to Granicus, assuming no other battles took place there. Adam Bishop 16:41, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. Dragons flight 19:14, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
The guidelines Wikipedia:WikiProject_Battles#Article title do not recommend using years for battles. Nor does WP:NC. Philip Baird Shearer 19:49, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
See also Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Battles#Dates in battle page names --Philip Baird Shearer 21:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Im making changes according to this unbiased site: http://monolith.dnsalias.org/~marsares/warfare/battle/granicus.html
[edit] Coordinates
Is it possible to get coordinates for the location of the battle? Mmace91 00:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
No - nobody knows the exact location
[edit] Hoplites?
The infobox lists 22,000 hoplites as part of the strength of Alexander's forces. I would guess his Greek allies fielded more or less classical hoplites, but the core heavy infantry from Macedonia itself were phalangites/sarissaphoros rather than hoplites. Sakkura 03:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Speculation?
I am concerned that these statements in the "Battle" section
"This would make sense out of the Persians' nonsensical order of battle. The Persian cavalry would hurry to the location of Alexander’s night crossing and reach the scene of the battle first, with the slower infantry struggling in the rear to catch up with the battle. Even if Alexander eventually won the battle, he would have had ample motivation to cover up his first initial defeat on Asian soil, and he would be loath to admit that he was wrong and Parmenion was right."
constitute original research. Can someone identify whose musings these are or shall we remove this? Argos'Dad 22:09, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Alexander close to death?
I've edited the Aftermatch section where it said Alexander came closest to death in this battle. This is not accurate. He did not receive a flesh wound here, whereas Alexander took a poisoned arrow to the chest in the battle with the Malli in India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vvarkey (talk • contribs) 16:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
alexander was stunned by an axe blow from a persian noble. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Immortals (talk • contribs) 07:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Casualties
PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE NUMBER OF CASUALTIES TO 350. it is totally wrong and do not remove my cited account of 115 casualties and the number of wounded. i will be monitoring this and report it to wikipedia staff if you are to remove my cited work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Immortals (talk • contribs) 07:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move Battle of the Granicus to Battle of the Granicus River, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 02:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Please move this article to Battle of the Granicus River, if you could.--Ariobarza (talk) 13:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk
- Oppose This (or rather Battle of the Granicus, where the article actually is) is the usual English name, and the only meaning of Granicus; the proposed title is as redundant and unnatural as Battle of the Marne River. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:37, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
It appears that we have another title mistake as I have checked in more recent books on the battle they are now refering to it with the river at the end. Kind a like the Battle of the Hydaspes River, both of these battles have to do with Alexander, which occured on the side of the river, with no identification of the place, so there is no place called Hydaspes, except the river itself, so if that is its name, the battle should have its only identification too, which is to included River.----Ariobarza (talk) 10:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
- This is a misunderstanding of English idiom: the Thames, the Rhine, the Mississippi all mean the river; adding River is unnecessary (and in practice less common). Battle of Hydaspes would imply a place Hydaspes apart from the stream; Battle of the Hydaspes does not. Septentrionalis PMAnderson
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
In this and in many other articles, somebody ADDED that on the side of Macedonians (renamed to "Macedon") there were "Greek allies". Is there any evidence about that? Citation is needed (from a neutral source). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.29.242.218 (talk) 22:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
