Talk:Battle of al-Qādisiyyah
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Amir85 copied the text from [1]. It is going to have to be completely rewritten. Amir, please STOP your copyvios. You are making extra work for everyone else. Zora 12:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
i have rewritten the whole page, actually including more information in the process. it is under the 'temporary' link. dgl
- Good work! I wonder ... can we just replace the copyvio text with it NOW, or do we have to wait and give other editors a chance to comment? Zora 17:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
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- oh ... i thought you were the one who put the violation notice there. cant you remove it? i dont know about how any regulations work ... dgl
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- I just wondering if Amir85 is going to show up to defend his text. Yes, I put the copyvio up. I'll see about taking it down and replacing the text. If I can figure out how <g>. Zora 20:51, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
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Nope, the notice says I have to leave it up for a week and then an admin will move the temp page to the regular page. Fair enough. Gives Amir85 time to react. Heck, if I'd known that you'd be so quick off the mark, I wouldn't have put up the copyvio tag. Sorry. Zora 21:40, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
- Oh, OK. well i went ahead and actually continued to add material -- the modern section.
- by the way, zora, you may want to check out this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest_of_Iran the summary of al-Qadisiyyah is identical to the one that you just flagged. in other words, it's another copyright violation. you may want to make note of it. dgl
[edit] additions to qādisiyyah page
besides the summary of the traditional account, i have added a lot of information on the modern uses of the Battle ... al-Qādisiyyah is a topic on which i have done (and certainly continue to do) a lot of research and i always welcome new information. if you have other examples that you've found, please share them! i greatly appreciate your help. 18:40, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] numbers
Who was stupid enough to think someone would believe those numbers? [remarked on 21:28, 13 February 2007 by 84.68.113.198 (Talk) ]
those who keep changing and playing with the numbers miss entirely the point of the article which is to say that such details are widely disputed and have been largely exaggerated over time. there is NO scholarly agreement on the size of the forces or the date of the battle! 89.138.185.159 08:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Alleged "Traditional Muslim View"
Suppose the section was the "Traditional" Muslim view, why isn't one Muslim source even referenced? This leads one to infer that those who advocate leaving this particular section desire to do so only to obfuscate historic matters. Secondly, the so called "Traditional" Muslim view have been corroborated by western historians who have documented generally similar sentiment about the battle. Therefore, the title of the heading should be changed to the "Battle" and not to "Traditional" Muslim view.Scythian1 05:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Two Western Sources, continously deleted by Behmod
Behmod, please stop deleting the sources which specify the number of troops involved in the battle. Thank You. Scythian1 20:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Poor informative atricle
I have just read this first paragraph of this article which says
- Already in the last years of the life of Muhammad, organized raids began attacking the Sassanid and the Byzantine frontiers (because of their constant threat to attack Arabs in Medina). Although these expeditions slowed during the consolidation of the Arabian peninsula under the first Caliph Abū Bakr (the Riddah wars), the latter's successor `Umar ibn al-Khattāb turned his attention northwards, initiating the Arab Muslim conquests. After a number of small successes and setbacks, `Umar decided to send the very capable general Khālid ibn al-Walīd to the campaign in Syria, and replace him with the famed Companion, Sa`d ibn Abī Waqqās, an important member of the Quraysh tribe, and under his command Umar sent a large Arab force into Iraq, then part of the Sassanid Empire.
- what the hell full of error !, Which muslim army raided sassanid persian land during Prophet Mohammad(pbuh)'s era ???
- No expeditions were sent before ridda wars to invade syria or iraq, it was after ridda war that Abu Bakr 1st sent expedition to Iraq then to Syria, yes the small force of Usama ibn Zaid was sent but it was to take revenge of his father's death i.e adopted son of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh).
- it says Umar gave attention to the expnsion ??why this unjustice ??? it was Abu Bakr who sent the forces to invade Iraq and Syria and Abu Bake sent Khalid ibn Walid not Umar ! , it was abu kabr who transfored khalid to syrian front and his successor was Misna ibn Haria not Saad ibn abi waqas as the article says ! and Before saad an other general Abu Ubaid saqfi was there as a commander in chief.
i dont know how much other mistakes the article may have i am thinking to replace it's parts which deal with the actual war by new article Mohammad Adil 18:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] unknowledgeable edits
i think it's very sad that an article, which once conformed to a high standard of academic quality has been reduced to a page of mythology, which contradicts scholarship of the battle dating back to the 7th century itself! anyone who thinks that they know the details of the battle down to the number of archers on the persian side should examine the early arabic accounts of the battle, as well as historiography of early conquest narratives... the journey of this article is indicative of the problems that wikipedia faces and the reason that fewer and fewer educated individuals contribute. cheers. 89.138.178.1 (talk) 09:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
- Mass deletion of references is not a suitable way to note your displeasure! This could be construed as a "lazy" solution, and the deletion rendered some of the inline citations meaningless. If there are inaccuracies, please dig into the article and repair them! Kindest regards, AlphaEta 15:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
- While I agree with what you say, AlphaEta, there are only four sources listed on the page currently. From what, exactly, is the account of the meeting between Yazdegerd and the Arab delegation being referenced? At the moment the article paints the Arabs as peaceful proponents of Islam, and the Persians as violent and uncouth. (Given the intricacy of Sassanid courtly ritual, I highly doubt that Yazdegerd said any of the things the account claims he did.) al-Qadisiyyah has been a long-standing tool in Arab propaganda against Iran, and it's seen a recent resurgence with the rise of Arab nationalism in the latter half of the 20th century. I'd be very curious to see how many scholarly sources corroborate the stories given here, and if any of those are based on Greek or Persian accounts of the battle, as opposed to Arab. In any case, this article desperately needs to cite its sources. Spectheintro (talk) 22:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)spectheintro
- Actually the article is written directly from the primary source or from a religious source painting the article more religiously and in the manner of arab nationalism against the persians.
Its of military history and right now it looks like an article from a story book ! it have no military style and is quit confusing in various places, it never mentioned about persians counter attack ! i have just got free from updating the article of Battle of Yarmouk and now i am preparing a new "military type" article of this battle, including the battle chats and maps. so wait for that....
Mohammad Adil (talk) 07:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
