Talk:Battle of Narva (1944)

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1. REDIRECT Talk:Battle of Narva - Battle for the Narva Bridgehead (1944)

Contents 1 Two operations = campaign? 2 Wehermacht commanders 3 "Gnessen" Regiment 4 Berlin or von Oven in charge of XXXXIII Armeekorps? 5 Soviet units

[edit] Two operations = campaign?

Battle of Narva spanned two operations, the Kingisep-Gdov offensive operation and the Baltic strategic offensive operation, isn't more accurate to call it a campaign? Martintg (talk) 06:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Not quite. Battle of the Narva is an English translation of popularised German name. The Leningrad-Novgorod offensive (and Kingisepp-Gdov offensive operation) was a part of the Winter-Spring Campaign of 1944 (1 January – 31 May). The Narva offensive started on the 24 July, and along with Operation Bagration and the Baltic strategic offensive operation fall into the Summer-Autumn Campaign of 1944 (1 June - 31 December). Much of the Campaign planning was based on seasonal considerations due to the length of time of their executions. Interestingly I just discussed this in regards to the Burma Campaign. Could you please revert to operation? In fact there were several independent operations, and battles, and if you continue to expand the article we will get to them. It seems to me that if you adopt the structure for the article I suggested, you may have an easier time with identifying what happened where and to whom. Cheers--mrg3105mrg3105 08:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wehermacht commanders

I'm not sure what role Georg Lindemann played in the battles being described, but it was in the 18. Armee AO.--mrg3105mrg3105 04:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Divisions were split off from 18. Armee, and formed into Army Detachment Narwa in February, which reported directly to Army Group Nord, so I don't think he played any role here. Martintg (talk) 04:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I didn't know that. You may want to say that in the article because from Soviet records and maps the 18. Armee looks definitely involved--mrg3105mrg3105 05:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Gnessen" Regiment

Is this possibly a regiment formed from Gnesende, i.e., soldiers recovering from non-debilitating wounds? Cheers--W. B. Wilson (talk) 19:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Scratch the question. Grenadier Regiment Gnesen (for Gniezno, Poland) was formed in February 1944 in Wehrkreis XXI from replacement army battalions in Poznan, Gniezno, and Kalisz. Disbanded August 1944. Source is Tessin. --W. B. Wilson (talk) 19:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Berlin or von Oven in charge of XXXXIII Armeekorps?

Have information that shows the commander of German XXXXIII Armeekorps in March 1944 was Karl von Oven, not Berlin? Cheers--W. B. Wilson (talk) 19:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

According to www.axishistory.com, Oven commanded XXXXIII until March 25th, and was replaced by Ehrenfried Böge [1], while Berlin commanded XXVI between May and June [2]. It needs further investigation. Martintg (talk) 20:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Soviet units

I am puzzled why some Soviet Rifle Corps, like the 8th, 14th and 30th, were split out from the Armies and listed separately, were they not subordinated to any army on that front? My references indicates otherwise. Martintg (talk) 19:59, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

The changes were made to align the orders of battle to a common time period (1 March 44). By that point, some of the corps allocated as front reserves during the initial stages of the battle had been returned to control of front HQ. The source for the subordination of the units is the official Soviet Army order of battle for that date. --W. B. Wilson (talk) 04:15, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

More research is needed, but yes, there were many formations and units that were cross-attached from ARMY TO army and between Fronts, or even moved from geographic sectors of the larger front. For this reason all non-core formations and units in the Soviet army were prefixed by 'independent'. The designation changed from time to time, and a Corps could serve as independent for a time, then be assigned as a core unit of an Army, and then become independent again at a later stage in the war. Here [3] none are listed as independent, as the 18th here

[4]--mrg3105mrg3105 If you're not taking any flack, you're not over the target. 22:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)