Talk:Batman (Earth-Two)

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[edit] Survey

Since the question of merging has been proposed of Dick Grayson (Earth-Two) with Dick Grayson, this article falls under the same criteria. Should this be merged with Batman? NetK 02:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

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• Oppose - Batman and Earth-Two Batman are completey unique and distinct characters. Combining the two into one entry would be cluttered and confusing. Each Batman existed in a seperate universe and therefore should exist in seperate Wikipedia articles. Cglendening 03:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose - This character is unique and distinct, and to merge the two stifles more comprehensive entries without just cause. NetK 02:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• Reluctant Oppose I don't think the character in and of itself merits to have been split off. However, given the parent article's size, the split seems justified as a measure to reduce its length and make it less cumbersome. — J Greb 03:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge to Batman and Robin (Earth-Two) - I think that Batman (Earth-Two) and Robin (Earth-Two) should have the similar fates. My preference is that they be separate from Batman and Robin. Just because Earth-2 has not existed in most of the last 20 years or so, doesn't mean that it didn't in the 25 years prior to that. (And that just since "Flash of 2 worlds". If we were to include all of the Golden age...) As an alternate solution, perhaps Batman (Earth-Two) and Robin (Earth-Two) should be merged together to be Batman and Robin (Earth-2). - jc37 10:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose - The famous Super hero pages are getting too big, and this is a good way to split them. - Peregrinefisher 18:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose- similar opinion as Peregrinefisher --Lasttan 21:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• Very Strong Oppose- they're two different characters. - darknus823

• Super-Ultra-Ultimate & Very Strongly Support - The alternate Captain America's are all merged into the parent article, including the Ultimates version which probably has more of a back story than Batman Earth 2. (Bjorn Tipling 01:39, 25 January 2007 (UTC))

• Oppose If remerged the article would lengthen further. Since it'll probably have to be split sooner or later I'd leave the separation as is. 193.129.65.37 09:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Comments

• There has also been discussion of this on the Batman talk page.Windmillchaser 02:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment - See: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Earth-Two for further discussion of this and other Earth-Two characters. - jc37 09:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First appearance

2¢... While the argument to cite the first appearance of the progenitor character is strong, there is a difference between "current", "retcon", and "version", especially with "First appearance". "First appearance" is the first time a character, or a particular version of it, first saw print. This isn't something that can normally be retconned, save if the character's alter ego is never given (ie, a writer decides that Hero A from Creator 1 is a second identity of the earlier Hero B from Creator 2).

Giving this article another look, I can see the reason to list "Historical: Detective #27". That is the first appearance of the progenitor character. I would argue though, that "This version: JLofA #82" or "Current:" are more appropriate than "Retcon:" since that is the first appearance of the S-2 version of Batman in print. Up to that point the Batman character had just one history.

— J Greb 23:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)